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Post by shinigami345 on Apr 14, 2010 22:34:00 GMT -5
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Post by straemer on Apr 14, 2010 22:45:57 GMT -5
Well in my perfect society, there is no such thing as money. As such, torrenting would become encouraged, and highly effective. People are just too caught-up in making money. Copyright and patent laws only hurt the advancement of society. If companies were to work together with the technology we have today, imagine what they could be making at this point!
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Post by Nakor on Apr 14, 2010 23:05:17 GMT -5
I think copyright is important to an extent. Without it, authors or music writers/performers would be nearly unable to make income from selling their works. Music performers would be able to do concerts -- but not music writers (unless they also performed), and that still doesn't help authors and other people in creative fields. I also think that copyright law is currently going too far. Did you know that currently copyright in the US lasts for 70 years after the death of the original author (Life+70y)? In Canada it's nearly as bad, at Life+50y, and other countries are pissed off that we have such short copyright terms! How on Earth is Life+50y short?! I should think 25 years from creation is long enough to have made significant profit off of whatever you produced. Why should copyright last that far beyond the death of the creator? (We're talking 3 generations by the US standard.) If I ever do get a book published, I'm making sure my will has a stipulation to release my works to public domain.... I also think copyright law enforcement has gone too far. Someone should not be fined tens of thousands of dollars (sometimes millions) for uploading only a smattering of copies of a smattering of songs. If someone pirated 50 copies of a $1 song, then I think the cost ($50) plus a reasonable fine (say 5x the cost, which I think is a US standard, so $250) is perfectly reasonable. You break the law, you pay, but at least make the price sane and don't bankrupt people over a single song. Oh, and those links in the OP are broken because the parentheses got stuck on the ends of the links. Try using the [ url ] tag for the links instead to avoid that problem.
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Post by Trey on Apr 15, 2010 6:41:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure using bittorrent is legal, lol. Downloading copyrighted material for free is illegal. I like torrents, but it's a shame that it's not really used for much else than pirated movies, games, music, and software. I like torrents because you can sometimes download a 6 GB file in less than 30 minutes. Yeah, it's THAT fast. Also, instead of a company having to pay for A LOT of bandwidth just to keep everyone's download fast, you rely on "Seeders". Seeders are people who download the file, and then leave their torrent open so it can upload the file again. The more that people seed, the faster the download will become.
I'm not here to talk about the "Perfect Society", but I am telling everyone the benefits of torrenting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2010 8:41:50 GMT -5
I think it's something you have to decide for yourself if you find it ethical or not. I'm not going to lie, I often illegally download copyrighted material such as movies, music and software. I don't like doing that for music, but I don't mind movies and software, as IMO it's their own fault for overcharging us like that. That being said, I still would rather be able to pay for it as it's a way to "reward" and even thank the creators for what they have made.
Now with music, I usually download an album first and if I like it a lot, I buy it (I have about 60 CD's and 15 LP's).
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Post by shinigami345 on Apr 15, 2010 17:07:19 GMT -5
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 18, 2010 16:57:38 GMT -5
Well in my perfect society, there is no such thing as money. And therefore everybody dies. Money is just a paper representation of hours in the day that you spend working. I spend 10 hours teaching so i can trade that for paper and then someone else spends 10 hours making breakfast cereal and I can use my paper to buy breakfast cereal and he uses his paper to buy classes. Really I'm just trading classes for food, it's just that making it paper means I can get more things and I don't have to meet all the individual people I'm trading with.
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Post by ninjaearl on Apr 18, 2010 17:18:40 GMT -5
I support torrenting simply because I would never torrent anything I'm actually going to ever buy anyway, so, as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't really do much to the economic situations of the ones putting up software for retail purchase
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2010 17:34:28 GMT -5
that's an interesting view ninjaearl, I never thought about it that way.
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Post by Engesa Green once more on Apr 18, 2010 18:26:56 GMT -5
I have the philosphy with music downloaded online: If the artist is dead, it's okay. And with software: If you're going to use it alot you should seriously consider to pay for it.
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Post by nutterz13 on Apr 21, 2010 3:04:20 GMT -5
i believe that downloading should be legalised, if 1. what you are downloading is unavailable in your country, at the time of download. 2. the thing that you are trying to download is more than 10 years old. 3. if your doing a try before you buy kinda thing. also it has allot to do with how record companies are refusing to move with times. sites like www.guvera.com are helping transition happen. this site allows you to download music for free but you have to watch an ad first, this basically means that the advertiser is paying for your download. EDIT:this reminds me of the the Pirate party. which i know exists in sweden, and is in the beginning process of becoming a political party in australia. pirateparty.org.au/
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Post by low on Apr 21, 2010 11:28:07 GMT -5
I have the philosophy with music downloaded online: If the artist is dead, it's okay. Copyright and patent laws only hurt the advancement of society. I think copyright is important to an extent. Without it, authors or music writers/performers would be nearly unable to make income from selling their works. Music performers would be able to do concerts -- but not music writers (unless they also performed), and that still doesn't help authors and other people in creative fields. I also think that copyright law is currently going too far...Why should copyright last that far beyond the death of the creator? ...I still would rather be able to pay for it as it's a way to "reward" and even thank the creators for what they have made. i believe that downloading should be legalised, if 1. what you are downloading is unavailable in your country, at the time of download. 2. the thing that you are trying to download is more than 10 years old. 3. if your doing a try before you buy kinda thing. My opinion is similar to all of these: Record companies maintain ownership of intellectual content for way too long and continue to repackage and re-release and bastardize the the content, milking it for more than it's worth long after the artist has died. How many Jimi Hendrix outtakes do we need to hear to get 3 new songs for the price of 40? Anyway, I believe copyright should end with death or soon after death (as many artists die leaving their families in debt). We are, however, progressing to the extent that record companies no longer have control over some of the most popular artists, Radiohead included. But some records are rare and out of print and not made by artists who are dead. With the technology we have, there's really no reason this should even be the case. If something is available digitally then it can be multiplied many times over. It can't possibly be rare and if technology hasn't monetized it (profit going to the artist) then why not? Is the artist not making any claim for their own content? Anyway, I think there should be a free online database of music, in torrent form, that currently can't be monetized for whatever reason, if there isn't already.
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