Is the Venus Project Possible?

Among the flaws are that the people behind Zeitgeist are known conspiracy theorists (making them not worthy of the intellectual respect of anyone who requires real evidence to believe in something, not just the simple assertion that all evidence with credibility is lying to you) who appear to falsely subscribe to the now dead theory of behaviorism, believing that human nature can somehow be changed drastically by changing conditions. The brain is a series of modules created by genes to adapt to the environment and survive. For someone who is not a neuroscientist nor a psychologist, not even a sociologist, to assert that the problem of crime could all be solved simply through a utopian socialist model, is completely arrogant if not belligerently stupid.

No, but it's completely pointless to say that you can't be a fan of The Beatles if you've never heard The Beatles' music and similar things that would lead in the direction of behaviorism if not challenged up front. At this point in time, cognitive science is divided into two main schools of thought, nicknamed east-coast (MIT) and west-coast (Stanford, UC Berkeley), though they're not exclusively limited to their respective coasts. The schools of thought are divided on their level of empiricism vs innateness, east-coast theorists believing more is innate, west-coast believing a greater deal is learned, though neither of them currently deny that genes are crucially important, setting both schools very far away from BF Skinner and behaviorism. The notion of the blank slate was a politically correct denial of reality. No denial of reality, even when it's good-intentioned (fear of eugenics), is good. What I am saying is that you can't create a society with no crime or violence because there are genetic incentives for power and competition and a scarily significant portion of the male population is sociopaths.



I don't have a degree yet, but I do have knowledge of the subject matter that isn't prior to 1990, nor do I try to create a universal theory encompassing all religion and astrology, among other debunked nonsense, or spread the ridiculous and ever-debunked idea that the September 11th attacks were done by the US Government for the benefit of corporations. (I should remind you that this is a critique of the entirety of Zeitgeist: The Movie. I have no word as to whether or not the Venus project is directly associated with the rest of the film.)



I should have said communism, actually, but I could be wrong on that level.
Maybe you could explain to me better what the means and ways of this project are.

I feel like I need to remind you that this criticism is not of you, but of Fresco, even if it may not seem this way. His ideas have brainwashed a lot of innocent people, some people who I've known. (To clarify, brainwashing isn't something that happens with special techniques or chemicals people put in water supplies, or whatever Alex Jones shouts that it might be, but rather it's simply making the desired behaviors seem casual and natural. There is no "brainwashing," only suggestion, and it's something found more often in cult-leaders--which is what I believe is an appropriate term for Fresco is--than the government or big brother, etc.)

OK, I do agree that it is not entirely the nurture that creates the human. But it sounds as if you are certain that humans are incapable of not being 'evil,' or committing criminal acts. I don't agree, but currently I don't think we know.



OK you're completely mixing up The Venus Project and Peter Joseph's Zeitgeist movie. I don't think Jacque Fresco agrees completely with much of what the first movie showed. (He even said himself he doesn't believe the conspiracy of 9/11.) And Zeitgeist 2 was a way of letting people know about TVP.



No, it doesn't fit into any of the political systems of today, it can only be likened to them. TVP would be closest to communism, however there would be no labour class, in fact no class stratification, no money, no dictator, it's sustainable, the people choose it... and so on. It may sound utopian and a fantasy but all it needs is the commitment of an intelligent community to create all of it.



I think you're mixing up Fresco with Peter Joseph again... If you are talking about Joseph I agree completely but Fresco isn't the same. He's tried to design a society that is completely sustainable that doesn't hold back any person or the advancement of technology. He's come to the conclusion that it's money that creates this barrier.

While money does create incentive in our capitalist society, it also creates corruption, which has a much worse negative impact than the benefits of the incentive it creates. Also, people seem to think that the people living in this proposed society will lack incentive to create, learn, innovate, or work. I know for a fact it wouldn't stop me. It may stop a notable percent of the population, but when everything is available because of abundance there are NO barriers to hold back the people who want to create.

IMO TVP is the most viable solution to the problems in our world today. If you have a better solution let me know -- let everyone know!




I think that's just a little too close minded. The whole zeitgeist thing seems quite cult-ish, and I'm not on board. However, Jacque Fresco has been working on The Venus Project for like 35+ years. He's only gotten enough recognition by being in a popular movie made for counter-culturists. They're actually making a movie completely about TVP, I think they're calling it And the World Will Be One, which will hopefully make more than just the counter-culturists and crazies aware.

Looking forward to it. Although it's 3:40 PM here. Probably gunna be middle of the night for me when you reply.