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Post by Joey on May 26, 2010 15:15:47 GMT -5
Okay, so here in the USA we have it. It is basically a good thing, right? But what I want to bring up is the question of "Could there be so much seperation of church and state that takes away freedom of religon?"
Here's an example: A relative of mine is a teacher in a Public School. She never teaches about her Catholic beliefs, and she never even mentioned that she was Catholic to her students(7th grade). Now one day the principal came to talk to her. A student had told her parents that the teacher had been talking about her faith to them. Now what had happend is that one day they were on a field trip and my aunt prayed silently to herself before eating. Now my relative told the principal what had happend but the principal said to not do anything ever about faith, no matter what. Seperation of church and state, yes. But is it taking away the freedom of religion?
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Post by RandiKthxxx on May 26, 2010 15:20:34 GMT -5
That's pretty messed up. If this is the whole story, she did nothing wrong.
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Post by chelseeyuh on May 26, 2010 15:26:49 GMT -5
Okay, so here in the USA we have it. I lol'd. Theoretically, we have it, but in reality, we don't. Why don't we have gay marriage? Religion. Why can't you buy alcohol on Sunday? Religion. What's that phrase that was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954? Oh yeah, "under God." I don't think it's fair that religious people can't even pray, but at the same time, it was just a 7th grader that wanted to start some drama... We shouldn't mix church and state any more than we already do
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Post by Joey on May 26, 2010 15:30:15 GMT -5
Okay, so here in the USA we have it. I lol'd. Theoretically, we have it, but in reality, we don't. Why don't we have gay marriage? Religion. Why can't you buy alcohol on Sunday? Religion. What's that phrase that was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954? Oh yeah, "under God." I don't think it's fair that religious people can't even pray, but at the same time, it was just a 7th grader that wanted to start some drama... We shouldn't mix church and state any more than we already do I know, our Founding Fathers created this system based off of a seperation, but then they were all very into religion. If you have ever been to DC and seen all the paintings inside the buildings, you know that we were based off of religon. So weird.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on May 26, 2010 15:31:00 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you can buy alcohol on Sunday. The Super Bowl would have died by now if you couldn't. Not 100%, but pretty sure.
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Post by Joey on May 26, 2010 15:31:47 GMT -5
That's pretty messed up. If this is the whole story, she did nothing wrong. It was one of those girls that you always want to punch in the face. Cocky, arrogant, atheist(The bad ones, ie. YOURE ALWAYS WRONG)
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Post by chelseeyuh on May 26, 2010 15:32:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you can buy alcohol on Sunday. The Super Bowl would have died by now if you couldn't. Not 100%, but pretty sure. In most states you can, but not all... i.e., where I live..
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Post by Joey on May 26, 2010 15:33:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you can buy alcohol on Sunday. The Super Bowl would have died by now if you couldn't. Not 100%, but pretty sure. The federal goverment has left it up to the states.
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Post by Nakor on May 26, 2010 15:47:43 GMT -5
Separation of church and state does not inpinge on freedom of religion; in fact, in a sense it supports it. When the state acts based on religion, they are the ones impinging upon everyone not of that religion.
The problem here was not separation of church and state; that would only be true if she had been preaching or proselytizing. If she were truly not bringing religion to the classroom, but was punished for doing so, then the problem is not the rules but the poor enforcement thereof.
Incidentally, church/state separation makes things like school-led prayers illegal, but unless I'm sorely mistaken does NOT mean that people cannot pray themselves, especially silently, teacher or otherwise.
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Post by Joey on May 26, 2010 16:01:13 GMT -5
Separation of church and state does not inpinge on freedom of religion; in fact, in a sense it supports it. When the state acts based on religion, they are the ones impinging upon everyone not of that religion. The problem here was not separation of church and state; that would only be true if she had been preaching or proselytizing. If she were truly not bringing religion to the classroom, but was punished for doing so, then the problem is not the rules but the poor enforcement thereof. Incidentally, church/state separation makes things like school-led prayers illegal, but unless I'm sorely mistaken does NOT mean that people cannot pray themselves, especially silently, teacher or otherwise. I know, thats the point. Why shouldnt you be able to pray to yourself?
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Post by Ryan on May 26, 2010 16:02:21 GMT -5
/agree with nakor, I have nothing else to add to the discussion (which is odd for me)
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Post by Joey on May 26, 2010 16:03:36 GMT -5
I know. Not that long of a discussion. Just something that makes me go UGHHGGGGGGG[Other than your mom ]
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Post by brumagem on May 29, 2010 10:05:56 GMT -5
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Barring the teacher from praying for the practice of her own religion constitutes 'prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' If the principal ever tries to suspend her or anything, tell your aunt to start a lawsuit; she's done nothing wrong.
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Post by krzych32 on May 29, 2010 10:26:06 GMT -5
For a mostly atheist community, this forum spends a lot of time talking about religion.....
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Post by earth on May 29, 2010 10:34:44 GMT -5
i think this is wrong, anyone should be able to practice their religion as long as it doesn't interfere or hurt others or they're not imposing it on others.
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Post by Nakor on May 29, 2010 11:03:06 GMT -5
For a mostly atheist community, this forum spends a lot of time talking about religion..... Atheists talk about religion a lot because many of us feel it's harmful to society, in many ways. (And note that I said religion, not (all) the religious.)
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Post by Alex on May 29, 2010 11:11:27 GMT -5
For a mostly atheist community, this forum spends a lot of time talking about religion..... Atheism is a religion, and a lot of people talk about their religion. I hate when people say it is an absence of religion. The definition? Quoted directly from dictionary.com; 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god. 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.Now, back on topic, this is ridiculous. We need to let people practice their own religion without trying to force their religion on others. That means Christians shouldn't try to make Atheists believe, and Atheists shouldn't try to make Christians not believe (And any combination of any religion). If people could keep to themselves and not force anything on anyone and also make laws based on morals, not relgion, most religion drama will be over.
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Post by krzych32 on May 29, 2010 11:11:31 GMT -5
Nakor, and that's fine, as long as you understand that you will go to hell.
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Post by Alex on May 29, 2010 11:13:39 GMT -5
krzych, this is what I am talking about. You try to make Atheists feel bad or inferior, but this really makes them look down on you.
Even if it is a joke. >.> <.<
Clue: To do that Is like Trying to LeavE the iSland, kate. it Can not happen. now, REally, lEt us coNtinue.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on May 29, 2010 11:20:43 GMT -5
For a mostly atheist community, this forum spends a lot of time talking about religion..... Atheists talk about religion a lot because many of us feel it's harmful to society, in many ways. (And note that I said religion, not (all) the religious.) Some of you get more wrapped up in religion than most religious people do. It's funny.
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