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Post by mechaweeg on Aug 19, 2010 20:53:48 GMT -5
People interested in this discussion may also be interested in this video of Alan Moore talking about Lost Girls (for the sensitive, I will provide fair warning that the video contains comic nudity):
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Post by spamchow on Aug 27, 2010 6:32:16 GMT -5
Artistic nudes glorify a woman's form by portraying it in a sensual and aesthetically pleasing way. There is emotion within art, making it beautiful. Porn glorifies the woman as an object, portraying her as a tool to pleasure the opposite sex. There is no 'real' emotion from the woman - it's just an act, something the actress performs as a service for money.
That's how I see it, anyways.
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Post by austkyzor on Sept 30, 2010 21:41:58 GMT -5
It's actually fairly subjective. Would you consider something like Burning Girl to be pornographic? Because there are people who do. It's also a level of your upbringing, your opinion of the human body - your own, and others - and your idea of what is erotic. I can't really put forth an answer, because it would be mostly opinion-based. My opinion is that pornography is a form of art. Not everyone would agree that it's art, and not everybody feels that it should exist. Some people think that breasts are a beautiful part of the body, others feel that it's an abomination that is morally corrupting the souls of everybody on earth - especially when they're being used to feed a baby. So, it's mostly based on one's personal view.
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Post by rialvestro on Oct 1, 2010 14:55:09 GMT -5
Some people think that breasts are a beautiful part of the body, others feel that it's an abomination that is morally corrupting the souls of everybody on earth - especially when they're being used to feed a baby. I wouldn't agree with that last part. It seems to me like people think that breasts are beautiful ONLY when they're being used to feed a baby but after that they're just objects of sexual desire. To me, I would say it's ALWAYS sexual in some way. Baby doesn't know the difference but mothers, there's something wrong with a woman who is getting an orgasm from her child breastfeeding. Not all women feel this way but there are some who have reported that breastfeeding feels like sex.
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Post by mashuga31 on Oct 3, 2010 12:03:50 GMT -5
They are exactly the same thing. Art and porn. People are just too much of damn prudes.
Fuck propriety (Gently).
I really do hate the way that they say that one thing is wrong, morally or otherwise. We decide what our morals are. We're born with them. If you don't want to look at porn, fine: call it art. But don't yell at me for enjoying my "art" a bit too thoroughly. Then it just gets even worse when you throw religion into the equation like you have some form of leverage. Sure food to a homeless person is going to get him to do something, but telling somebody who isn't religious that their sinning is like telling a Llama to kindly step off of your toe. It just won't happen.
And since when does being mature equate to completely criminalizing human nature?
I think its human nature to want to have fun. I'm 16 years old and I just won a toy soldier out of a claw machine. I named him Peppy. I also bought a finger bowling set and a stick on basketball hoop. Doesn't mean im not mature. My inner child is part of me to this day, my inner teen will be forever as well. I'm going to be 50 years old with a stack of porn, a G.I. Joe, and a Yacht.
If society thinks that that's not proper then society can shove it. Just because they left everything behind in order to be "responsible adults," it doesn't mean that I have to as well.
'nuff said.
Summery: What dictates the difference between art and porn is the same principle that conceives there being a difference between a six year old playing with hot wheels and a thirty-eight year old playing with hotwheels.
People feel they need to add a sense of morality to everything even though in reality, things are very much black and white. There are no shades of grey. I'm prepared to answer any situation with a response, but there isn't anything that should dictate what's "proper." Some people think that it's proper to sue someone for everything that they own, leave them in the streets to feed off of the crumbs of society, because they leaked confidential information. In reality all they did was share the spill with their brother about the next blockbuster game coming out. Who would have thought that there would be such a penalty for "ruining the surprise."
I am getting way off topic here so I'm going to cut it off.
End statement: Different situations call for a different perspective. At all times.
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Post by rialvestro on Oct 3, 2010 13:37:09 GMT -5
mashuga31 I don't want to get too into because it's a little off topic but maturity has nothing to do with weather or not you still play with hot wheels. See I'm 24 and I still have a rather large Transformers collection. Not the largest in the world but I like it. Even more to the point, my dad, he's 52, and he has a fairly large collection of Star Trek toys. My dad and I both play on City of Heroes/Villains and he's actually got more level 50 characters than I do! No being mature has nothing to do with that stuff. Being mature is about knowing the difference between play time and work time and knowing that without work you can't have play. We wouldn't have money to pay for our game accounts if my dad didn't go to work every day. And everything is not "black and white" there are in fact gray areas. It seems black and white to you because you're 16 but wait till you're my age.
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Post by mashuga31 on Oct 3, 2010 13:52:32 GMT -5
mashuga31 I don't want to get too into because it's a little off topic but maturity has nothing to do with weather or not you still play with hot wheels. That was my argument. That's where you're wrong... Its deciding which side its on that is the problem. People look for specifics. What they should be looking for is their own common sense. Edit: I forgot to mention it in my earlier post but to me maturity is knowing when to act serious. And knowing when to not. Work and play don't even equate into it.
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Post by marypo on Oct 4, 2010 3:39:17 GMT -5
Art -noun The quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
Depending on the type it may appeal to varying groups of individuals. Not everyone is going to agree that art is, well, art.
I find the female body beautiful and appealing and while not all porn is my cup of tea, I like some of it.
Is porn art as defined above? To me it is and to some it isn't, there is no absolute.
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Post by Lex on Oct 4, 2010 15:34:46 GMT -5
So, what we get from this is that the definition of "art" is subjective while "pornography" is objectively defined as being sexual? That porn can be art depending on who you ask?
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Post by marypo on Oct 4, 2010 15:56:26 GMT -5
So, what we get from this is that the definition of "art" is subjective while "pornography" is objectively defined as being sexual? That porn can be art depending on who you ask? Precisely.
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Post by amon91 on Oct 4, 2010 17:05:53 GMT -5
So, what we get from this is that the definition of "art" is subjective while "pornography" is objectively defined as being sexual? That porn can be art depending on who you ask? Precisely. I have to agree.
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