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Talent
May 2, 2010 15:25:19 GMT -5
Post by Ryan on May 2, 2010 15:25:19 GMT -5
I think those of you who do not believe in talent are people who do not fully understand what it is to have talent. I was born with musical talent and intelligence. I don't work hard for either, its just something I have always had. I slack off in class and get A's, I never try, I never practice music. It's just something that I've always been able to do, and I will attribute it to talent.
I also know what its like to work hard to achieve something, parkour doesn't come naturally to me, but I work at it 4-6 days a week. So when someone compliments my parkour skills I do let them know that its something I work hard at because I don't find it easy, though some people do.
If you don't like people associating your hard earned skill with talent, then you must simply correct them. When someone says "My lord, you're talented" simply say "No, it's just lots of hard work, thank you for appreciating it." and then smile. People who compliment simply want to raise you up on a pedestal that you rightfully deserve. It's ok to let them know how you got onto the pedestal.
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Talent
May 2, 2010 15:30:25 GMT -5
Post by RabbitWho on May 2, 2010 15:30:25 GMT -5
I don't know, it's true that we're not blank slates and that we are naturally disposed towards certain interests and things which will effect which areas we excel at and therefore what we become talented at. However it is also true that you earned every bit of skill or knowledge you have through hard work.
I still feel that if you write a beautiful piece of music you are talented. If you play a beautiful piece of music you are skilled, but if you really put something of yourself into it and you express and convey a great deal of emotion you are talented.
If you understand linguistics you are intelligent (or educated) . If you invent a new revolutionary theory of linguistics you are talented.
I guess to me talent is more related to creativity.
Whether creativity is something that comes from within ourselves or some powerful external force passing us by like a freight train we can either jump onto, get run down by, or ignore.... that I don't know... I know it sure as hell feels like a freight train when it comes.
As far as I know the word "muse" originally meant something like creativity, an external force that would visit you and help you but which you had no ownership of... then at some time (I think in the renaissance) artists started signing their work and feeling a sense of personal achievement. Maybe a talent is directly related to how often the muse comes knocking vs. how often you have to work all on your own?
Perhaps it depends on the people, or the day. I know sometimes creativity feels more like pulling teeth than a freight train, and sometimes it's more like a river.. the best stuff always comes off the train... but the river is the most enjoyable and sustainable...
Wupps! sorry, lost all objectivity there. RANT
Anyway, I hope you have talent, because hard work isn't enough on its own. Neither is enough on its own!
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Talent
May 3, 2010 10:08:10 GMT -5
Post by Johncoyne on May 3, 2010 10:08:10 GMT -5
It seems that some people don't really understand the intention of this topic. It's to discuss whether or not talent exists. Compliments are great, no matter what they are. They give satisfaction and pay off for the amount of work a person puts in.
I do believe that people are more disposed towards certain things. I don't like sports. I'm not inclined to learn how to do sports.
A couple of years ago, I started acting in musicals. I was terrible (They gave me the lead because I was able to sing a high "D" which is kinda off-topic but whatever). And yeah, the director gave me the lead. I learned a lot from that role, and I was pretty good by opening night. I learned even more through the performance. I missed a couple of cues, then improv'd over them and learned what to do when you miss a cue. I learned how to act more quickly than others.
I had no kind of acting talent. I learned quickly. That's it. I'm not going to shoot people down for complimenting me as I understand their good intentions.
Now, let me take sports for an example. I used to work very hard at sports but I never really was any good. I learned how to play sports very slowly and never got good at it.
Well, that's more of my take on it.
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Talent
Jun 5, 2010 22:39:23 GMT -5
Post by brumagem on Jun 5, 2010 22:39:23 GMT -5
Talent: the natural endowments of a person.
Of course talent exists.
Using logic alone: given that no two people are alike, it should be assumed that we all have strong points and weak points, thus each person with a particularly notable strong point is 'talented.'
I think the reason that so many artists take such a word as one of belittlement is because of the sheer tangibility of their work. When you create something like a song or a portrait you can remember every little mistake or fallacy in it, can't you? You note the imperfections in your own work and can see your improvement over time very acutely. This means your effort is much more visible to you than that of, say, an athlete who in most cases will only have memory to serve as a baseline for his current ability.
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Talent
Jun 5, 2010 23:02:04 GMT -5
Post by jeradjones on Jun 5, 2010 23:02:04 GMT -5
I don't believe in talent. People always tell me I'm horrible at every subject at school except math. I hate this. I like math, so I spend a lot of time learning it. People always complain and say they wish they were as good as me in math, and it makes me very annoyed. I get my skills from practicing, not from them coming naturally.
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Talent
Jun 5, 2010 23:39:35 GMT -5
Post by Joey on Jun 5, 2010 23:39:35 GMT -5
Talent are those things that come naturally to you. I believe that something has to be genetic, because my aunt and uncle are band directors, and their kids are very good at playing instruments, and hardly ever work at it. I think talent is a good word, because I use it more along the lines of "youre really good at what you do" and dosent imply at all that you didn't work hard. Talent is what comes naturally, skills are what you learn to become talents. Talented is, like I said, somethig you are good at.
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Talent
Jun 7, 2010 17:01:39 GMT -5
Post by brumagem on Jun 7, 2010 17:01:39 GMT -5
(After some more thinking)
I think the major problem you people have with the concept of talent is that people confuse it with skill. People see you do something well, they act like you were born to do it (which is a compliment that I can't name many people to turn down) even though you had to work hard for such a level of performance. Your problem is with the people who have no idea you've taken the effort that you have (which really isn't their fault). But it must be said that anyone who is willing to put in such profound work into what they do are talented in their own right. It is a talent for passion.
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Talent
Jun 7, 2010 19:02:08 GMT -5
Post by shinigami345 on Jun 7, 2010 19:02:08 GMT -5
I'm naturaly talented. People around me just know that I'm smart through subtle cues in my body language, tonality, and all that. I'm incredibally lazy and a procrastinator on top of all of this. So to say that I got where I am by anything other than natural talent would be a lie. Now sure I do occasionly study things and I did watch Bill Nye every day after school and this and that and the other thing. I might be an Indigo Child or something I just don't know.
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Talent
Jun 7, 2010 19:54:19 GMT -5
Post by Johncoyne on Jun 7, 2010 19:54:19 GMT -5
Imma say dis again, I think that people can learn at different rates, but no one is born able to do a skill.
That's what I mean by this. No one is born as a musical virtuoso. They learn music, very quickly. Possibly so quickly that they learn what one person learns in five years in five hours. I'm not saying that things don't come more easily to some than others. There's an Einstein quote that I love. It's like this:
"Don't worry about your problems in mathematics. I can assure you that mine are much greater" - Albert Einstein.
I'm very good with music. Music does not come easily for me. I just practice. A lot. I get frustrated. I broke a piano once from banging on it out of frustration.
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