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Post by brumagem on Jun 11, 2010 12:05:51 GMT -5
You speak (well, type) on the implication that seriousness is exclusive from childishness. Childishness (not always a bad thing) =/= Foolishness I wouldn't call it foolishness. Foolishness is = to immaturity. As I exsplained it is possible to be childish and still be mature. Childish is not foolish. That's what I said, =/= means not equal to. Childishness and maturity are not exclusive concepts.
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Post by rialvestro on Jun 12, 2010 2:33:18 GMT -5
So when you're 16? Technically you're still living under their roof because you're legally required to but you can get a job and start doing things for yourself that you couldn't do before. And really you're never fully independent from your parents no matter how much you want to be... unless they're dead or you get a restraining order on them. First of all, the age you give is probably in the US. There are people from all around the world here And I'm not talking about the age the government decided that you're independent. Some people can be reach maturity at 16, others at 30. There's no age set to something like this. Legally in the U.S. you're independant from your parents at 18. That's just when you're legally able to move out and are responsible for your own actions regardless of weather or not you still live with them. I said 16 because that's the age you don't need your parents to do things for you as you're able to drive by 16. I would say this is different per individual though as I at 24 still can't drive and rely on help from others to get around. Generally speaking though most people start driving at 16. I started to learn to drive and almost crashed into a sign when I fell asleep at the wheel with my parents in the car. Luckily I woke up and hit the breaks pluse I was only going 5 miles an hour as I was comming to a stop sign anyway. Not the sign I would of crashed into, there was an air port sign across the street and I kept going after falling asleep. Also lucky there was no cross traffic. Insomnia sucks. I tend to fall asleep at work too but they know and I always wake up when I hear my cue. I can still hear everything around me when I sleep, in the car I actually woke up to my parents yelling at me to hit the breaks. It's not something that happens often but it's enough to where I can't really be in a car by myself.
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Post by rialvestro on Jun 12, 2010 2:37:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it foolishness. Foolishness is = to immaturity. As I exsplained it is possible to be childish and still be mature. Childish is not foolish. That's what I said, =/= means not equal to. Childishness and maturity are not exclusive concepts. Sorry, I didn't and actually still don't understand the other post as it was worded.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 3:32:14 GMT -5
First of all, the age you give is probably in the US. There are people from all around the world here And I'm not talking about the age the government decided that you're independent. Some people can be reach maturity at 16, others at 30. There's no age set to something like this. Legally in the U.S. you're independant from your parents at 18. That's just when you're legally able to move out and are responsible for your own actions regardless of weather or not you still live with them. I said 16 because that's the age you don't need your parents to do things for you as you're able to drive by 16. I would say this is different per individual though as I at 24 still can't drive and rely on help from others to get around. Generally speaking though most people start driving at 16. I started to learn to drive and almost crashed into a sign when I fell asleep at the wheel with my parents in the car. Luckily I woke up and hit the breaks pluse I was only going 5 miles an hour as I was comming to a stop sign anyway. Not the sign I would of crashed into, there was an air port sign across the street and I kept going after falling asleep. Also lucky there was no cross traffic. Insomnia sucks. I tend to fall asleep at work too but they know and I always wake up when I hear my cue. I can still hear everything around me when I sleep, in the car I actually woke up to my parents yelling at me to hit the breaks. It's not something that happens often but it's enough to where I can't really be in a car by myself. again, you're talking about U.S. terms here. In Belgium (and most European countries, if not all) the driving age is 18. I think you're taking independence too literally. It's not because you're able to drive around to places you need to go that you're independent... A Rumanian kid living on the street is more independent than a 16 year old American kid.. It's about being able to provide for your own food, shelter,... But being independent doesn't mean you're mature. You also need to be able to function in society, which that same Rumanian kid isn't able to. At least that's my view on it.
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Post by rialvestro on Jun 12, 2010 11:01:51 GMT -5
Legally in the U.S. you're independant from your parents at 18. That's just when you're legally able to move out and are responsible for your own actions regardless of weather or not you still live with them. I said 16 because that's the age you don't need your parents to do things for you as you're able to drive by 16. I would say this is different per individual though as I at 24 still can't drive and rely on help from others to get around. Generally speaking though most people start driving at 16. I started to learn to drive and almost crashed into a sign when I fell asleep at the wheel with my parents in the car. Luckily I woke up and hit the breaks pluse I was only going 5 miles an hour as I was comming to a stop sign anyway. Not the sign I would of crashed into, there was an air port sign across the street and I kept going after falling asleep. Also lucky there was no cross traffic. Insomnia sucks. I tend to fall asleep at work too but they know and I always wake up when I hear my cue. I can still hear everything around me when I sleep, in the car I actually woke up to my parents yelling at me to hit the breaks. It's not something that happens often but it's enough to where I can't really be in a car by myself. again, you're talking about U.S. terms here. In Belgium (and most European countries, if not all) the driving age is 18. I think you're taking independence too literally. It's not because you're able to drive around to places you need to go that you're independent... A Rumanian kid living on the street is more independent than a 16 year old American kid.. It's about being able to provide for your own food, shelter,... But being independent doesn't mean you're mature. You also need to be able to function in society, which that same Rumanian kid isn't able to. At least that's my view on it. You missed the point. It's not about just being able to drive that just happens to be the last thing people learn to do before they're fully capable to take care of their own needs. And before you didn't say anything about shelter you just said that the person needs to be able to take care of theirself and function in society. In the U.S. that happens at 16. If you can cook for yourself, do your own laundry, pick up after yourself, drive on your own, and have a job, ect that fits the original criteria you said and all of that can be accomplished by 16.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 11:24:24 GMT -5
again, you're talking about U.S. terms here. In Belgium (and most European countries, if not all) the driving age is 18. I think you're taking independence too literally. It's not because you're able to drive around to places you need to go that you're independent... A Rumanian kid living on the street is more independent than a 16 year old American kid.. It's about being able to provide for your own food, shelter,... But being independent doesn't mean you're mature. You also need to be able to function in society, which that same Rumanian kid isn't able to. At least that's my view on it. You missed the point. It's not about just being able to drive that just happens to be the last thing people learn to do before they're fully capable to take care of their own needs. And before you didn't say anything about shelter you just said that the person needs to be able to take care of theirself and function in society. In the U.S. that happens at 16. If you can cook for yourself, do your own laundry, pick up after yourself, drive on your own, and have a job, ect that fits the original criteria you said and all of that can be accomplished by 16. DUDE I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE US seriously, read my fucking post.
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Post by rialvestro on Jun 12, 2010 13:01:32 GMT -5
You missed the point. It's not about just being able to drive that just happens to be the last thing people learn to do before they're fully capable to take care of their own needs. And before you didn't say anything about shelter you just said that the person needs to be able to take care of their self and function in society. In the U.S. that happens at 16. If you can cook for yourself, do your own laundry, pick up after yourself, drive on your own, and have a job, ect that fits the original criteria you said and all of that can be accomplished by 16. DUDE I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE US seriously, read my fucking post. DUDE I NEVER SAID YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE US. I did read your "fucking" post. Try reading mine and looking at my location. The US is being used as an example because that's where I live, I'm not going to talk about the entire population of the world because I don't know what the difference in the laws are. It was meant as an example not to be taken as a world wide statement like you did. Just calm down, there's no reason to throw a hissy fit just because I don't know what the laws are where you live which have nothing to do with the conversation we're talking about anyway. I was just asking a simple question and looking for a simple answer. Instead of answering me you're getting pissed off over nothing and cussing at me. If you're going to get pissed off this easily then I doubt you understand anything about maturity as you've just demonstrated a child's temper tantrum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 16:58:39 GMT -5
DUDE I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE US seriously, read my fucking post. DUDE I NEVER SAID YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE US. I did read your "fucking" post. Try reading mine and looking at my location. The US is being used as an example because that's where I live, I'm not going to talk about the entire population of the world because I don't know what the difference in the laws are. It was meant as an example not to be taken as a world wide statement like you did. Just calm down, there's no reason to throw a hissy fit just because I don't know what the laws are where you live which have nothing to do with the conversation we're talking about anyway. I was just asking a simple question and looking for a simple answer. Instead of answering me you're getting pissed off over nothing and cussing at me. If you're going to get pissed off this easily then I doubt you understand anything about maturity as you've just demonstrated a child's temper tantrum. Yeah sorry, there was some really annoying music playing and I got pissed. I don't claim to be mature at all by the way. I just don't think that everyone is independent at age 16. Put a 16 year old spoiled brat on the streets, I don't think he'll be able to survive without searching help tbh.. And even if that 16 year old would be able to do that, he'd still not be able to live in society, since he's not allowed to work, to rent,... But again, that's one situation, I bet there's kids in Africa who are way more mature at age 16 than I am at age 20.. Plus, at age 16 your body isn't even mature yet, so how would you possibly be emotionally or intelecually mature? :/
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Post by rialvestro on Jun 13, 2010 2:34:28 GMT -5
DUDE I NEVER SAID YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE US. I did read your "fucking" post. Try reading mine and looking at my location. The US is being used as an example because that's where I live, I'm not going to talk about the entire population of the world because I don't know what the difference in the laws are. It was meant as an example not to be taken as a world wide statement like you did. Just calm down, there's no reason to throw a hissy fit just because I don't know what the laws are where you live which have nothing to do with the conversation we're talking about anyway. I was just asking a simple question and looking for a simple answer. Instead of answering me you're getting pissed off over nothing and cussing at me. If you're going to get pissed off this easily then I doubt you understand anything about maturity as you've just demonstrated a child's temper tantrum. Yeah sorry, there was some really annoying music playing and I got pissed. I don't claim to be mature at all by the way. I just don't think that everyone is independent at age 16. Put a 16 year old spoiled brat on the streets, I don't think he'll be able to survive without searching help tbh.. And even if that 16 year old would be able to do that, he'd still not be able to live in society, since he's not allowed to work, to rent,... But again, that's one situation, I bet there's kids in Africa who are way more mature at age 16 than I am at age 20.. Plus, at age 16 your body isn't even mature yet, so how would you possibly be emotionally or intelecually mature? :/ Body and mentally are two completly different subjects. As you pointed out yourself there are children in Africa who are more mature than most teenagers. Body maturity is just something that happens as you age and for women their body isn't really fully done "matureing" till some time in the late 40's early 50's. Men only mature once in their life, women go threw body changes not only for puberty but every time they get pregnant and then when they go threw menapause. Mentally however is a whole different story. Someone like the children in Africa you mentioned are going to be more mature because they are responsible for younger siblings in some cases. When you're caring for a younger brother or sister rather than fighting with them that is a sign of maturity. People who grown up in good homes tend to take for granted what they have and don't realize till they're much older. Several people who fought with their siblings as children are really close to them as adults, myself included. I absolutly hated my brother till I got to an age where I could better understand his mental condition. When he first moved into the group home I was glad he was gone but now I actually look forward to the times when I get to visit him. I went from I don't wanna go see him, I'd rather stay home and enjoy my last few moments of quiet before my parents bring him back here to if I don't have to work I want to go with my parents to pick him up. Right now I am 24, my brother is 29.
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Post by coltonbrown on Jun 21, 2010 20:58:42 GMT -5
I'll just throw my opinion in here. I believe that maturity is knowing when to be serious and when you can have fun and joke around. I also think it is knowing right from wrong. It is also being appropriate; being inappropriate is a sign of immaturity.
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Post by thisismysn on Jun 22, 2010 2:28:14 GMT -5
Maturity to me is not masking things. Or making things out to be something they're not. Owning up to your mistakes, taking the credit that is due for yourself when you do things right, as well as being humble and recognizing other's success. it's not all about whether or not you "go so low" as to make "potty". It's also know when it's right to laugh at them, or make them.
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Post by earth on Jun 22, 2010 9:03:51 GMT -5
you can make jokes and be a lighthearted, happy, joke...ful person and still be mature. mature is one who has manners, knows what to say and when, and can be serious when he needs to. it doesnt mean you cant fool around every once in a while.
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Post by rialvestro on Jun 25, 2010 21:38:55 GMT -5
I'll just throw my opinion in here. I believe that maturity is knowing when to be serious and when you can have fun and joke around. I also think it is knowing right from wrong. That's basically what I said... except for the last part. Which is actually a contradiction to the first thing you said. See first you said joking around is OK some times then you're saying it's never OK. Or maybe I've completely misunderstood what you were trying to say, it depends on what you ment by inappropriate because there are some jokes that are inappropriate so the two things are kinda the same.
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Post by Yokailo on Jun 26, 2010 4:10:03 GMT -5
Which is actually a contradiction to the first thing you said.
See first you said joking around is OK some times then you're saying it's never OK. Or maybe I've completely misunderstood what you were trying to say, it depends on what you ment by inappropriate because there are some jokes that are inappropriate so the two things are kinda the same.[/quote]
I agree with colton on this, so I'll defend him: Being appropriate is exactly the same as knowing when to be serious and when you can have fun and joke around. If the atmosphere is tense, like on funerals or something, and you start joking around, that's inappropriate, so immature. If the atmosphere is happy and light, like a birthday, it's no problem for a mature person to make jokes, because that's appropriate.
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