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Post by GDMProductions#13 on Jun 13, 2010 11:54:54 GMT -5
Say you had to make a decision. Say it is a very hard decision. Say you can either save the person who you love, and loves you, or save 10 doctors. I know decisions like that are hard, but in order to end world suck, we must be able to, as a species, make many peoples lives easier, rather than our own. What do you guys think about this hypothesis?
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jun 13, 2010 12:04:41 GMT -5
Say there's this guy named Sam. Sam's only family member, his dear aunt, is in a coma, and Sam doesn't have any friends. Sam visits his aunt at the hospital every day, though she shows no signs of ever recovering. There are 10 patients at the hospital in need of organs, and if they don't get them they'll die. Since Sam has no family or friends, he wouldn't be missed if he were to "mysteriously disappear" and the 10 patients were to get the organs they need. I know decisions like that are hard, but in order to end world suck we must be able to, as a species, make people's lives easier.
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Post by GDMProductions#13 on Jun 13, 2010 12:22:32 GMT -5
That makes perfect sense. Some people may find it cold, but saving 10 peoples lives, is more important than 1 meaningless life.
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Post by swan on Jun 13, 2010 13:05:10 GMT -5
I think it would be important to leave that decision in the hands of Sam, and it is not something we should be making for him. If he wants to sacrifice his life to save 10 others then he should have every right to do so, but if we get to the point where the value and meaningfulness of your life can be determined by other people and they can sacrifice you for the "greater good", I don't think that society qualifies as being world-suck free. It is totalitarian and a violation of freedom and even if there are lives being saved I don't think it's justified. I think freedom is one of the most integral aspects of what makes the world not suck.
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Post by Alex on Jun 13, 2010 13:21:53 GMT -5
All humans have a meaningful life. Just because someone isn't close to anyone doesn't mean they are worthless. That is just a horrible way of thinking, and that won't end world suck. It fuels it.
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Post by GDMProductions#13 on Jun 13, 2010 13:23:02 GMT -5
I thought that was his decision. I did not mean to say that other people would do that to him, I meant to say that he made the right decision in doing so. I did not realize that that in the example Chelsea made, that someone else decided to do it.
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Post by swan on Jun 13, 2010 13:33:56 GMT -5
Oh okay, perhaps I misinterpreted Chelsea. To me "mysteriously disappear" says that it's not his decision.
I do think this thread raises an important question and anyone willing to sacrifice their life to say 10 others is remarkably noble and altruistic, provided it is in fact their choice.
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Post by GDMProductions#13 on Jun 13, 2010 13:35:59 GMT -5
All humans have a meaningful life. Just because someone isn't close to anyone doesn't mean they are worthless. That is just a horrible way of thinking, and that won't end world suck. It fuels it. May I replace the word "meaningless" with non-productive?
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jun 13, 2010 13:42:57 GMT -5
Yes, "mysteriously disappear" means that he has no choice in the matter.
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Post by GDMProductions#13 on Jun 13, 2010 13:43:49 GMT -5
Oh, I thought that meant that he had a choice. Then I retract my statement from earlier.
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Post by shinigami345 on Jun 13, 2010 13:48:33 GMT -5
I'd find a way to save them all.
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Post by Johncoyne on Jun 13, 2010 14:16:23 GMT -5
I'd find a way to save them all. I like that attitude. I have another one. Would you put up your life to save a stranger?
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Post by GDMProductions#13 on Jun 13, 2010 14:25:56 GMT -5
I'd find a way to save them all. I like that attitude. I have another one. Would you put up your life to save a stranger? 1. That is a great atitude, but if you saved one side, the other INSTANTLY died, that is the point. 2. Yes, I would.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 14:38:19 GMT -5
I'd find a way to save them all. I like that attitude. I have another one. Would you put up your life to save a stranger? I would like to say I would, but since I've never been in that situation, I can't tell for sure. I think if it was a child, no doubt. But an adult or an elderly... I'm not sure. I've got one. Say there's this guy. He's intelligent enough to study at university, but he's really bad at learning. He's phailwailing all the time. He has to chose between either trying another year, with great chances of phailing or looking for a job and search councelling to help with learning to study. This with the risk that after working for a year he won't go back to uni. Yes this is about me. What would you do?
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Post by GDMProductions#13 on Jun 14, 2010 17:41:51 GMT -5
In my opinion, rather than spending the money in another failed year at university, actually try for a job, and get study help. After maybe a year or 2 you can go back, with more life skills.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 18:25:47 GMT -5
that's what I'm thinking as well, though I'm going to try some stuff first before I make a decision (such as studying in a different location and whatnot.) Also, I'd just like to point out that my problem isn't skill (or life skill) related. It's a psychological problem. You see, psychologists divide your personality in 4 parts. My psychologist told me which, but I can only remember those relevant to me at the moment. Those are determination and something like vitality (basically how active your brain is, how much you think shirt like that, I know vitality isn't the right word tho ) Then they have a test to determine where you score compared to average on those points. My results showed that I have a lower than normal determination and a higher than normal 'vitality'. This results in being bad at remaining motivated, determined to do something. The fact that I also have a very low frustration start point (how easily you get frustrated) leads to me giving up, being frustrated about giving up and like that creating a vicious circle. Just informing you
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Post by swan on Jun 15, 2010 0:57:43 GMT -5
This results in being bad at remaining motivated, determined to do something. The fact that I also have a very low frustration start point (how easily you get frustrated) leads to me giving up, being frustrated about giving up and like that creating a vicious circle./quote] Oh man, I can relate to that.
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Post by krzych32 on Jun 15, 2010 2:25:49 GMT -5
That makes perfect sense. Some people may find it cold, but saving 10 peoples lives, is more important than 1 meaningless life. I just love when from time to time people on this forum share their radical ideas. And people still don't understand how Germans could have fallowed Hitler
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Post by GDMProductions#13 on Jun 15, 2010 19:31:43 GMT -5
That makes perfect sense. Some people may find it cold, but saving 10 peoples lives, is more important than 1 meaningless life. I just love when from time to time people on this forum share their radical ideas. And people still don't understand how Germans could have fallowed Hitler Had you read on, you would have seen that I had retracted that statement, due to having read the previous post to mine incorrectly. I meant that as in when it is a form of self- sacrifice, not totalitarian murder.
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Post by krzych32 on Jun 15, 2010 21:06:03 GMT -5
I just love when from time to time people on this forum share their radical ideas. And people still don't understand how Germans could have fallowed Hitler Had you read on, you would have seen that I had retracted that statement, due to having read the previous post to mine incorrectly. I meant that as in when it is a form of self- sacrifice, not totalitarian murder. No, I have not read that far. But even after considering that, Chelsea still made the original argument for killing "Sam" (unless I misuderstood her statement). A believe that good of the state is more important then the good of an individual is the basic idea of Fascism.
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