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Post by krzych32 on Nov 12, 2010 22:14:54 GMT -5
In Canada, there is no concept of "buying" health care. I think it's absurd that, in America, people "buy" health care as if it were another commodity. It's absolutely ridiculous. Not every nation is the same. That suits you does not have to be all right with other. I can say I find it absurd to be taxed at the rate people in canada are taxed. Americans would never agree to such taxes. the choices are you buy healthcare or you get taxed and they buy it for you.One way or another you still end up paying.
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Post by Lex on Nov 12, 2010 22:23:42 GMT -5
In Canada, there is no concept of "buying" health care. I think it's absurd that, in America, people "buy" health care as if it were another commodity. It's absolutely ridiculous. Not every nation is the same. That suits you does not have to be all right with other. I can say I find it absurd to be taxed at the rate people in canada are taxed. Americans would never agree to such taxes. the choices are you buy healthcare or you get taxed and they buy it for you.One way or another you still end up paying. No, no, no. You're failing to understand: health care is not a product. It is not a commodity to be bought and sold. Americans have everything ass-backwards. You cannot "buy" health care. Period. What should be done, is to use tax money to fund public health care. No privatization. No "buying". It's not something you should have a choice in "buying". Through taxes, it should be a public duty to help provide money for basic health care in order for members of society to assist each other. Anything else would be nothing less than selfish, in my honest opinion.
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on Nov 12, 2010 22:46:00 GMT -5
Not every nation is the same. That suits you does not have to be all right with other. I can say I find it absurd to be taxed at the rate people in canada are taxed. Americans would never agree to such taxes. the choices are you buy healthcare or you get taxed and they buy it for you.One way or another you still end up paying. No, no, no. You're failing to understand: health care is not a product. It is not a commodity to be bought and sold. Americans have everything ass-backwards. You cannot "buy" health care. Period. What should be done, is to use tax money to fund public health care. No privatization. No "buying". It's not something you should have a choice in "buying". Through taxes, it should be a public duty to help provide money for basic health care in order for members of society to assist each other. Anything else would be nothing less than selfish, in my honest opinion. Right, but North Americans are very materialistic. And I guess Americans just care more about stuff than the true pleasures in life compared to most of the rest of the world. Also can someone clear something up for me? Does the US have health care companies, while Canada doesn't? I thought in countries that have universal health care that it was the government that took care of it, not companies. Because if that's so then what krzych32 said here doesn't make sense... At least none of the money would go to CEO bonuses and million-dollar profits. hehe, yes it would. They MAKE people buy health care. How much better can it get, the government is making people buy your service.
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Post by Lex on Nov 12, 2010 23:00:46 GMT -5
Also can someone clear something up for me? Does the US have health care companies, while Canada doesn't? I thought in countries that have universal health care that it was the government that took care of it, not companies. Because if that's so then what krzych32 said here doesn't make sense... As it stands, we don't have these big healthcare corporations. It's government regulated Medicare. From the Health Canada government site: Canada's national health insurance program, often referred to as "Medicare", is designed to ensure that all residents have reasonable access to medically necessary hospital and physician services, on a prepaid basis. Instead of having a single national plan, we have a national program that is composed of 13 interlocking provincial and territorial health insurance plans, all of which share certain common features and basic standards of coverage. Framed by the Canada Health Act, the principles governing our health care system are symbols of the underlying Canadian values of equity and solidarity.
Roles and responsibilities for Canada's health care system are shared between the federal and provincial-territorial governments. Under the Canada Health Act (CHA), our federal health insurance legislation, criteria and conditions are specified that must be satisfied by the provincial and territorial health care insurance plans in order for them to qualify for their full share of the federal cash contribution, available under the Canada Health Transfer (CHT). Provincial and territorial governments are responsible for the management, organization and delivery of health services for their residents.krzych32 seems to misunderstand our system in Canada. There is no "buying" and nobody forces anyone to "buy" anything. In Canada, we don't have that concept of "buying" healthcare. It's just part of our taxes.
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Post by stephen5000 on Nov 12, 2010 23:28:31 GMT -5
There seems to be some confusion regarding paying for health care here. I think it stems from the fact that there two things here: health insurance and actual heath care products and services. In Canada, there is public health insurance that is paid through your taxes. This insurance covers most essential health services. (There is also private health insurance that provides coverage for things not covered by the public plan.)
While some health care providers and services are government run, most are private. They receive payment from the government based on the services they provide.
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Post by krzych32 on Nov 12, 2010 23:41:23 GMT -5
Also can someone clear something up for me? Does the US have health care companies, while Canada doesn't? I thought in countries that have universal health care that it was the government that took care of it, not companies. Because if that's so then what krzych32 said here doesn't make sense... As it stands, we don't have these big healthcare corporations. It's government regulated Medicare. From the Health Canada government site: Canada's national health insurance program, often referred to as "Medicare", is designed to ensure that all residents have reasonable access to medically necessary hospital and physician services, on a prepaid basis. Instead of having a single national plan, we have a national program that is composed of 13 interlocking provincial and territorial health insurance plans, all of which share certain common features and basic standards of coverage. Framed by the Canada Health Act, the principles governing our health care system are symbols of the underlying Canadian values of equity and solidarity.
Roles and responsibilities for Canada's health care system are shared between the federal and provincial-territorial governments. Under the Canada Health Act (CHA), our federal health insurance legislation, criteria and conditions are specified that must be satisfied by the provincial and territorial health care insurance plans in order for them to qualify for their full share of the federal cash contribution, available under the Canada Health Transfer (CHT). Provincial and territorial governments are responsible for the management, organization and delivery of health services for their residents.krzych32 seems to misunderstand our system in Canada. There is no "buying" and nobody forces anyone to "buy" anything. In Canada, we don't have that concept of "buying" healthcare. It's just part of our taxes. I never said that canadians "buy" healtcare themselves, but you still end up paying for it directly or indirectly.
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Post by Lex on Nov 12, 2010 23:45:49 GMT -5
I never said that canadians "buy" healtcare themselves, but you still end up paying for it directly or indirectly. So? What's the point? Everyone contributes, and everyone receives. At least all Canadian citizens have access to basic healthcare, unlike in the United States where it's still more of a privilege than a right.
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Post by krzych32 on Nov 12, 2010 23:59:57 GMT -5
I never said that canadians "buy" healtcare themselves, but you still end up paying for it directly or indirectly. So? What's the point? Everyone contributes, and everyone receives. At least all Canadian citizens have access to basic healthcare, unlike in the United States where it's still more of a privilege than a right. The difference is that US has 13 trillion $ in debt and Canadian level of taxation would kill our economy. You keep comparing US to Canada, but you are missing the point that those are not the same nations, what works for you may not work for us. Its like going to Samalia and saying "hey guys, why can't you live like the guys in Norway." In theory you may be right but what you are saying is simply not practical.
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Post by Lex on Nov 13, 2010 0:04:05 GMT -5
So? What's the point? Everyone contributes, and everyone receives. At least all Canadian citizens have access to basic healthcare, unlike in the United States where it's still more of a privilege than a right. The difference is that US has 13 trillion $ in debt and Canadian level of taxation would kill our economy. You keep comparing US to Canada, but you are missing the point that those are not the same nations, what works for you may not work for us. Its like going to Samalia and saying "hey guys, why can't you live like the guys in Norway." In theory you may be right but what you are saying is simply not practical. It's because America's dug itself its own economic grave, basically. You know, unnecessary warfare and such. Well, there's no real solution here. But, there's absolutely no way anyone could defend that monstrous system that America has.
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Post by krzych32 on Nov 13, 2010 0:17:25 GMT -5
The difference is that US has 13 trillion $ in debt and Canadian level of taxation would kill our economy. You keep comparing US to Canada, but you are missing the point that those are not the same nations, what works for you may not work for us. Its like going to Samalia and saying "hey guys, why can't you live like the guys in Norway." In theory you may be right but what you are saying is simply not practical. It's because America's dug itself its own economic grave, basically. You know, unnecessary warfare and such. Well, there's no real solution here. But, there's absolutely no way anyone could defend that monstrous system that America has. well, I guess the first part will also apply to canada since their debt/GDP ratio is not far behind.
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Post by Rogers91 on Nov 16, 2010 2:18:34 GMT -5
uhhh every developed country is folowing the same trend as the US and to fix this we actualy have to look at capitalism which is a system of moveing the crapy economy from one place to another.
health care seems like a great idea for all. why should i look in my wallet everytime i cough. sadly money is the fluid the keeps the earth spinning and until we realize we need to value knowledge over money and humanity over capital gain we will be in the same old pit we have been in for the past 100 years.
heck we are due for a revolution or enlightenment or some sort of movement...
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