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Post by jmejia1187 on Apr 22, 2010 13:57:17 GMT -5
No, why am I a mindless zombie. Dan said something, and I agreed. If he said lets kill some people, obviously I would disagree, unless those people were aliens who started a war with us. Then I'd grab a machete to save my life. But thanks for your opinion Bomb. Even though I disagree with it. I support your right to speak and let your opinions be heard
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Post by Nakor on Apr 22, 2010 14:10:14 GMT -5
I imagine he just did the backward thing for the hell of it, or perhaps just to complete his terrible pun (PALINdrome).
Still, I think the message itself is clear:
That's probably what this whole week is about. A lot of people never question things they're told from on high, be it school or church or whatever. Dan went off the deep end this week and proved a point; a lot of people actually thought he was being serious. Many got angry, some took it to heart a little too well. The point was, however, that people should question everything. Even Dan. That's my take on it anyway.
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Post by hey light on Apr 22, 2010 14:16:40 GMT -5
I imagine he just did the backward thing for the hell of it, or perhaps just to complete his terrible pun (PALINdrome). Still, I think the message itself is clear: That's probably what this whole week is about. A lot of people never question things they're told from on high, be it school or church or whatever. Dan went off the deep end this week and proved a point; a lot of people actually thought he was being serious. Many got angry, some took it to heart a little too well. The point was, however, that people should question everything. Even Dan. That's my take on it anyway. That's pretty much what I think.
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Post by IMAGINARYphilosophy on Apr 22, 2010 19:13:15 GMT -5
Palindrome. Dan's doing it wrong.
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Post by jmejia1187 on Apr 22, 2010 19:59:52 GMT -5
What was all the backwards gibberish for? I'm really not sure. Although I interpreted it as him trying to demonstrate how statements can come out of perceived nonsense. It was always about free speech since the beginning. That is at least how I thought about it...
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Post by Trey on Apr 22, 2010 20:15:55 GMT -5
Palindrome. Dan's doing it wrong. /agree Here's my favorite palindrome: GoHangASalamiI'mALasagnaHog.
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Post by mashuga31 on Apr 22, 2010 20:41:24 GMT -5
Thanks. I especially like Dan's message about love, and free speech, and freedom of religion, and freedom of political affiliation. And how he says that their views are no weirder than ours. It really makes us closer to those tea party, and Sarah Palin supporters. I like how Dan is showing that radical views don't make people different. They are still people. Dan is still dan, whether atheist, agnostic, deitic, or Pastafarian. And I think he is doing an awesome job saying exactly what the point is, that he is trying to get through i think you are a mindless zombie who would follow dan off a cliff Aww, don't be mean
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Post by jmejia1187 on Apr 22, 2010 20:59:14 GMT -5
As for the one who called me a mindless zombie. I knew what Dan was trying to do from the first video. He was trying to support free speech. He was trying to support freedom of religion, and freedom of political affiliation. And I agreed with him. If I mindlessly agreed, I would be a zombie. I WILLFULLY agreed. As a matter of fact, I agreed with this BEFORE Dan made the video.
If he made a video against these things, I wouldn't support him.
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Post by mashuga31 on Apr 22, 2010 21:14:26 GMT -5
I'm really not sure. Although I interpreted it as him trying to demonstrate how statements can come out of perceived nonsense. It was always about free speech since the beginning. That is at least how I thought about it... You can think of it however you want, but you can't read Dan's mind. I personally think it's part of a project that is somewhat similar to Nakor's idea. I rather like his idea too because it makes me less agitated. I honestly think he's using this to gather statistics. In a world where all ideas are accepted, that would be preferable. He might have got enough statistics to realize that maybe the world isn't ready for that yet, or that that's what he's using to try and jump start things. The only problem with that is that it is contradicting with a value. I'm stading by what I know to be true by saying that the spaghetti monster does not exist. I'm also standing by what I personally know to be true that religion messes things up. We cannot remove religions from the world, we can only prevent more from being created out of nowhere. People will believe in something that doesn't exist, even claim to see it. If it was anything else but a religious belief people would throw you in a loony bin. I am by no means an atheist but I still think that organized religion can suck it. And by suck it I mean, go away, please. They teach you to hate others who are different, and enjoy making you feel guilty for natural emotions and or actions. They shame you into believing things that aren't right (morally not physically) instead of letting you choose what you honestly feel is right. If the world is able to disagree with others than it is able to disagree with a higher power if they don't like something. Voicing your opinion should not be about changing minds and it should not be about pointing things out to intentionally prove somebody wrong. That being said, pastafarianism is ok with me as long as it is not something religious. If it is a system of morals voiced to you by a sphagetti monster you believe in then yes, go, have fun. But why invent wierd phrases like "Ramen", and get a look in your eye that says your dead inside? Organized religion kills the insidey parts of you that make you who you are. To truth it all out, it scares me. It scares me that people are willing to lie and say they believe in something just to prove a point. And for the people that do actually believe in it, well they are only going to harm the rest of us by defending their 'god.' Maybe not physically harm us but still... those of us that are either offended or don't find it funny might feel rather uncomfortable about the topic... and now it's popping up everywhere! In a real life situation you can just say: "I don't really want to talk about it." Sure on a forum you can just not participate in the arguments or other conversations and not read them, but they are inevitably sucking away from the rest of the forum. There is little to talk about otherwise due to general overpowering interest. People feel like they need to talk about it even though it's been talked and talked and talked about. Most people don't agree with it anyway, whether or not your supporting it. I supported it last night just so people wouldn't talk to me about it anymore. I agree with free speech and I agree with freedom of religion (confined to current religion excluding Scientology because that's not really a religion its more of a theory.) but sometimes people take it too far just because they can. Dan brown may agree with Sarah Palin. That's great. I don't think he really believes in the FSM because if he did, I'd be a lot more accepting of it than I am. If it's what he ACTUALLY does believe than I'm going to support him 110% even if it is a religion because it's still his opinion. But this isn't his belief. He just took something, that quite possibly no-one on this earth actually believes in to abuse his freedom of speech. No one is going to like him after this, and I already don't like him. If he makes a better video on Monday or an explanation tomorrow than I can forgive him. If he ACTUALLY believes in this stuff than I can forgive him. I however can prove that he doesn't believe in it just based on his actions.
1. He's kind of spaced out when he talks abut it and act's like he's commenting sarcastically. If he actually believed, he'd have a firm voice, not a "fun and games psycho cult guy" voice. 2. He would mention it maybe once or twice in a casual tone because he would want to express that he does believe and not force it on you. 3. He would have mentioned it in the past: I.E. say he's going to look into it, or that he found this really cool thing blah blah blah but all the same, still in a casual tone. I can't wait till pogotok this sunday to see if he mentions anything about it.
/rant I used spolier tags because that is a freaking long rant against pastafarianism that only those who actually want to read it should. I'm not going to slam my opinion on you guys. It's kind of hateful in an agitated tone so beware. Anyway, have fun with this whole thing, just please don't go over the top and form a cult....
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Post by Nakor on Apr 23, 2010 0:40:30 GMT -5
@mashuga31: Most of the random stuff in Pastafarianism like RAmen is just a parody of other organized religion. It's the pastafarians' way of opposing organized religion, by mimicking it while amplifying the absurdities within it (satire). It's kind of like Stephen Colbert slamming Fox News by pretending to be on their side while blithely pointing out everything incredibly stupid about them. Or EdwardCurrent on YouTube pretending to be a Christian while acting in a way that clearly bites back at Christianity. (Like Dan, a lot of people don't realize his videos are satire despite the IT'S A JOKE background on his channel page. However in his case, that's the whole point of the entire channel, so it doesn't seem to affect him too negatively.)
It's worth noting that Pastafarianism also specifically states that it is opposed to dogma of all forms, and that nobody who calls themselves a Pastafarian will ever be expected to believe any specific thing.
Now, regarding the second half of your rant, you seem to take it badly because you see it as a lie. I see it more as an example. The satire is pretty obvious to most people; FSMism is designed to be so absurd that it's clear the beliefs aren't for real. It's about making a point, and I don't see that as a lie any more than I see fantasy novels as a lie. I would run counter to you; where you would only respect him if he actually believed what he was saying, I could never respect him if he became so closed-minded as to actually believe in FSMism.
While I think he did a poor job of the satire overall (in that it was too drawn out and frankly not that entertaining, especially on Tue & Wed), I agree with its message, and I don't think it's anything to be angry over.
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Post by stephen5000 on Apr 23, 2010 6:24:46 GMT -5
When I watch Dan's videos from this week I still don't really know what his intent is/was. However, there seem to be people here who claim to know what he means and proclaim it as just and good. Now, THAT is the religion here. And THAT's what has pissed me off more than anything else.
I also don't like it when a joke has been blown out of proportion, which I feel has already happened in our society with the FSM. Dan picking up on this already outplayed joke is frankly just painful to watch.
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Post by Nakor on Apr 23, 2010 10:23:02 GMT -5
It is not religion to ponder what meaning Dan probably had behind his videos if any, and try to work it out with our minds. It would be religion to accept everything said about Palin and FSM totally blindly without thinking about it at all. Thinking about it, thinking we've figured it out, and then deciding whether or not to agree is neither zombie-like nor religion-like.
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Post by stephen5000 on Apr 23, 2010 11:59:13 GMT -5
It is not religion to ponder what meaning Dan probably had behind his videos if any, and try to work it out with our minds. It would be religion to accept everything said about Palin and FSM totally blindly without thinking about it at all. Thinking about it, thinking we've figured it out, and then deciding whether or not to agree is neither zombie-like nor religion-like. I was more referring to putting words into other peoples mouths. People commonly put words into the mouth of God or Jesus (or generally historical figures), claiming that they said or would have said certain things, often supporting their own viewpoints. I just feel that something of that sort has occurred here. Dan has made his message (so far) rather vague, but many people seem to indicate otherwise and say he was referring to free speech or religion or being a zombie or testing the pogotribe or whathaveyou. I think we should reserve judgment and see what comes of it, rather than hastily coming to a conclusion that we think looks nice.
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Post by Nakor on Apr 23, 2010 13:36:44 GMT -5
Ah, I see. Still, speculation should be encouraged within reason. And the blanket statements that the FSMism itself is satire are, well, factual. It's an unreasonable position to assume that Dan has gone so far off the deep end to seriously believe in such things.
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