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Post by Jake on Apr 28, 2010 14:27:20 GMT -5
So I created a poll asking whether people thought "End World Suck" was a good enough Noble Cause, but I thought it would be also worth doing a poll to ask which idea is most popular out of all the ideas already on the "Noble List" (http://southpoleofthemoon.com/wiki/index.php?title=Noble_Cause)
There are two "Open Global communication" options - that is meant to be "Open Knowledge to Everyone, Everywhere"!
Update: Many people are saying the idea is too vague, but you can read more about each one at the Wiki Discussion (http://southpoleofthemoon.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Noble_Cause). And remember - we need to start with a basis, the specifics can come later.
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Post by Jake on Apr 28, 2010 14:38:28 GMT -5
I'm all for the Universal Happiness thing, myself!
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Post by Breepop on Apr 28, 2010 16:48:56 GMT -5
None of these are clearly enough defined for me to vote. :/ Of them, I suppose the best is ending world suck. I don't like "universal happiness." I'm all for making the world a better place, but a world without sadness would be... boring as fuck. You can't really have happy without sad.
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Post by Rob on Apr 28, 2010 17:40:59 GMT -5
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Post by Cortney on Apr 28, 2010 17:54:38 GMT -5
The one I like the best is ending world suck, and the only description it has is "Perhaps by joining together with other organisations such as charities." A lot of these are still too subjective, in my opinion. We need something everybody can agree on, and that people outside of the PogoTribe will understand.
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Post by Rob on Apr 28, 2010 18:28:36 GMT -5
The one I like the best is ending world suck, and the only description it has is "Perhaps by joining together with other organisations such as charities." A lot of these are still too subjective, in my opinion. We need something everybody can agree on, and that people outside of the PogoTribe will understand. Be sure to check the discussion page for the Wiki page I directed people to. That's where the more descriptive portions are. Also, I don't think my idea is too vague or subjective: - Global Communication -- everyone on the planet with a voice I was totally thinking something along those lines. Maybe we have kind of a two-fold goal. First, we wish to have at least one representative from every country on Earth in our tribe. Sort of like PogoTribe ambassadors. Then, with the ambassadors in place, we strive to give a voice to every person in every country who wants a voice -- whether it be regarding poverty, politics, health, hunger, clothing, shelter, warmth, it doesn't matter. If we could use the internet and our tribe to build such a unified global network (the likes of which DEFINITELY does NOT exist now), we will most certainly make our world a better, more hospitable place to live in. I mean, imagine a world where >85% of the world knew each other. The possibilities with such open communication would be endless.
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Post by Johncoyne on Apr 28, 2010 19:11:24 GMT -5
I like the Open Knowledge one, but it's not on the poll.
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Post by Camoon on Apr 28, 2010 19:51:04 GMT -5
None of these are clearly enough defined for me to vote. :/ Of them, I suppose the best is ending world suck. I don't like "universal happiness." I'm all for making the world a better place, but a world without sadness would be... boring as fuck. You can't really have happy without sad. I don't think you understand the concept of happiness. Being happy can never get boring because boredom is a negative feeling. So if everyone is happy for ever, boredom won't exist.
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Post by Joey on Apr 28, 2010 20:01:04 GMT -5
POSTED FROM NOBLE CAUSE IN THE POGOTOK THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey! I just had an idea, but don't go harping on me if you think its bad.
Making the world agree on a set of laws that are the "Common Good". Which would be like "1. Murder in any way for fun is wrong 2. Terrioism is wrong"
You can see that it would be a very difficult task, not just to make the list, but to get it approved by the UN or something like that. Also you can see how it would be very controvesial, but we could make it our goal to make it something that all humas find morally wrong, and that adhering to the list would make the world suck less. Just a thought.
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Post by Ricky on Apr 28, 2010 22:11:34 GMT -5
I actually have to agree with Jake and Cam on this one. I think Universal happiness is the best in the list.
We have to choose a task that is specific, and seemly impossible, but represents the best outcome from which the need for spotm would be no more. Yes, everyone in the world disagrees in one subject or another, but happiness doesn't mean always being right, and can be achieved with compromise, and understanding.
Bree you pointed out that "a world without sadness would be... boring as fuck" I assume you mean because people wouldn't appreciate happiness as much if sadness wouldn't exist, but just like you don't need to drown or choke to appreciate being able to breath, being happy all the time would only lead to... well happiness
Also one's happiness might be very different from another's if you are happy with some sadness in your life that would be part of your life (hope that makes sense)
It might sound stupid to some, but I truly believe it can happen.
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Post by Breepop on Apr 28, 2010 22:36:59 GMT -5
Also one's happiness might be very different from another's if you are happy with some sadness in your life that would be part of your life (hope that makes sense) Alright, fair enough. I just know whenever I have a bad day, the next 3-4 days are freaking amazing. I love sadness for that reason. I still don't like the happiness one, though. It's far, far too subjective. So many people can believe they are happy, but not truly be happy. They may just think "Well, this is as good as life gets" and, in fact, that life sucks. It's not really fair to those people. The castes in Brave New World come to mind. :p
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Post by Rob on Apr 28, 2010 22:48:27 GMT -5
Yeah... with the whole "happiness" thing... what about the complete sickos who find happiness in others' pain? With that in mind, it would take a paradox to achieve the goal. I don't think we should make our goal something only achievable via the paradox.
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Post by Jake on Apr 29, 2010 1:37:59 GMT -5
I think what people remember is that the goals aren't meant to be even vaguely easy to achieve. It's something that means we could stop as a tribe if achieved, but we don't have to achieve it. We could just give it the best we could and at least create a lot more happiness even if we don't get absolute happiness for everyone.
We need to start thinking of the impossible - at least to give us a starting point.
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 30, 2010 11:00:43 GMT -5
all the options above are way to vague
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Post by Jake on Apr 30, 2010 11:41:13 GMT -5
all the options above are way to vague Well I suggest that we can get more specific and precise later on in the process, and decide the basis for now.
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Post by click3tyclick on Apr 30, 2010 12:17:02 GMT -5
all the options above are way to vague Well I suggest that we can get more specific and precise later on in the process, and decide the basis for now. So the basis is "ending world suck" or "making everyone happy"? Can you define those? Can you actually think of ways to end world suck?
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Post by hey light on Apr 30, 2010 13:01:50 GMT -5
Open Knowledge to Everyone, Everywhere! I think that best describes what we are trying to do.
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Post by Jake on Apr 30, 2010 14:22:44 GMT -5
Well I suggest that we can get more specific and precise later on in the process, and decide the basis for now. So the basis is "ending world suck" or "making everyone happy"? Can you define those? Can you actually think of ways to end world suck? Well my idea, although there are ideas from other users, is to combine forces of all the charities and organisations already out there devoted to reducing world suck, rather than doing it alone. And defining Universal Happiness - well I guess it could start by reducing some unhappiness and work from there. Open Knowledge to Everyone, Everywhere! I think that best describes what we are trying to do. I've actually really grown to like this idea!
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Post by boris on Apr 30, 2010 16:39:32 GMT -5
shoot! I've changed my mind, I voted for "To end world suck" but I think that Open Knowledge is the point I was trying to make by voting To end world suck.
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Post by Jake on Apr 30, 2010 17:17:44 GMT -5
shoot! I've changed my mind, I voted for "To end world suck" but I think that Open Knowledge is the point I was trying to make by voting To end world suck. I'm keeping a mental count of "Open Knowledge". So far we've got 3 votes for that...I'm considering making my vote making it 4!
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