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Post by Jake on May 6, 2010 12:05:32 GMT -5
I feel that people are worrying to much about ideas being "impossible". The definition of a Noble Cause is something that when achieved, we can cease existing as a tribe. And I'd rather get only part way achieving something hugely worthwhile than complete something only partly worthwhile. so... what's it going to happen ? general debate in the thread and final poll on a future post ? I posted a topic in the Debate Club section for this! pogotribe.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=debateclub&action=display&thread=1969
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Post by Phat on May 7, 2010 12:57:31 GMT -5
The reason that I chose open global communication is because I see it as a way to achieve the other goals as well. The challenge, IMHO, is to keep it from becoming confrontational and political/religious. A key element in the overall process is to keep the effort generally fun and something that other folks don't mind being responsible for, at least an hour a week.
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Post by RabbitWho on May 8, 2010 3:03:21 GMT -5
None of these are clearly enough defined for me to vote. :/ Of them, I suppose the best is ending world suck. I don't like "universal happiness." I'm all for making the world a better place, but a world without sadness would be... boring as fuck. You can't really have happy without sad. agreed, without pain you can't experience pleasure Nonsense, we're not talking about sad as in "oh no the Wii 2 was delayed." "yay i finally got it" That's not sadness! "I'm sad and I don't know why." Also doesn't count. We're talking about sad as in "oh no my father and his uncle were shot in front of me when we stopped to help someone lying wounded on the side of the road." or "my little sister starved to death." Or "I have to work 13 hours a day in a factory so my son will be able to go to school" You know I'm thinking about real people I've read about or seen on tv when I write these examples. My reason for opposing universal happiness is that happiness is not necessarily a desirable state. That doesn't mean i'm pro-sadness!
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Post by Jake on May 8, 2010 8:38:24 GMT -5
agreed, without pain you can't experience pleasure Nonsense, we're not talking about sad as in "oh no the Wii 2 was delayed." "yay i finally got it" That's not sadness! "I'm sad and I don't know why." Also doesn't count. We're talking about sad as in "oh no my father and his uncle were shot in front of me when we stopped to help someone lying wounded on the side of the road." or "my little sister starved to death." Or "I have to work 13 hours a day in a factory so my son will be able to go to school" You know I'm thinking about real people I've read about or seen on tv when I write these examples. My reason for opposing universal happiness is that happiness is not necessarily a desirable state. That doesn't mean i'm pro-sadness! I think this is fantastic. It's pretty near impossible to achieve the elimination of sadness, but I think that's a different concept than "Universal Happiness". For example, someone described as "happy" can be sad once in a while.
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Post by Helmet on May 10, 2010 20:42:41 GMT -5
I think Worldsuck is a bad Noble Cause... I mean it's great and all, but I don't think that it should be our numero uno.
How about having one of the greatest Online Community on the INTERWEBS?
I bet we could get close to beating Youtube, I also am sure that we could beat 4chan
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Post by Jake on May 11, 2010 1:07:31 GMT -5
I think Worldsuck is a bad Noble Cause... I mean it's great and all, but I don't think that it should be our numero uno. How about having one of the greatest Online Community on the INTERWEBS? I bet we could get close to beating Youtube, I also am sure that we could beat 4chan Are we talking about beating them in size or awesomness? Because I'm fairly sure we've already beaten 4chan in awesomeness...
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Post by Gesh on Jun 5, 2010 18:39:54 GMT -5
I think the Open Global Communications one is a very good one. Dan has always been a strong supporter of getting everyone to be able to communicate with each other and allow everyone to have access to information. It's that sense of community he had in mind when he talked about Haiti, when he announced we were a tribe, when he got working on his secret project, and when he created this forum on the south pole of the moon. I'm almost positive his secret project has to do with community and access to information, and the PogoTribe forums is a big part of that goal of his, so wouldn't it make sense for our noble cause to go along those lines? Still, I do think it is essential that we wait until we know what his secret project is, so that we can better develop a noble cause that goes along the lines of the project's goals, because he has said in the past that this very forum is a very big part of his project.
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Post by Jake on Jun 10, 2010 12:00:29 GMT -5
Yes, I suppose that's all very true. Now I guess eventually wants us to come to a conclusion, so does anyone else have anything to offer?
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Post by andromeda on Jun 18, 2010 10:28:34 GMT -5
On the Noble Cause thread that Cortney started, we've been talking about things that use ALL of these goals. Come check it out, it would be great to get some more input!
<3 Always, Andromeda Vela
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2010 13:36:15 GMT -5
yep yep
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Post by tehincoreuptable on Jun 25, 2010 14:17:53 GMT -5
My vote would be to end world suck. I would have voted for any of the others; but I realized that all of these issues stem from world suck.
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Post by hey light on Jun 30, 2010 6:52:00 GMT -5
I really don't think universal happiness is an achievable goal. I'd say that our noble cause is to end world suck through open knowledge and communication.
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Post by Ricky on Jun 30, 2010 9:07:44 GMT -5
Chaos its supposed to be seen as an almost impossible goal... besides there are things that open knowledge and communication don't cover that universal happiness does.
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Post by hey light on Jul 1, 2010 7:51:57 GMT -5
Chaos its supposed to be seen as an almost impossible goal... besides there are things that open knowledge and communication don't cover that universal happiness does. Ok, but there's a difference between a almost unachievable goal and a completely unachievable goal. And I think that getting rid of worldsuck through open knowledge and communication is a lot more specific and achievable than universal happiness.
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Post by Ricky on Jul 1, 2010 8:15:35 GMT -5
Again thats only a matter of opinion.
I would suggest you go to the other thread that Cortney made about this subject and read all the info that was made about universal happiness, that way you can see that it is quite possible to achieve.
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Post by kalaway on Aug 5, 2010 12:18:51 GMT -5
"End world suck" is very vague. It's basically "world peace". Universal happiness is ridiculous. You can't make people happy, they have to make themselves happy. Basic human rights go a long way toward making that possible but still.
Open global communication and universal equality are both great goals. Though I think as we progress one will feed the other. The more open communication is the more equal people will become. And the more equality there is the more global communication there will be.
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Post by bombmaniac on Aug 5, 2010 14:04:45 GMT -5
i propose our noble cause should be complete worldwide mass suicide.
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Post by Ricky on Aug 5, 2010 14:59:44 GMT -5
i propose our noble cause should be complete worldwide mass suicide. Everyone must drink the Kool-aid!! ;D I'm not sure anyone can agree on the noble cause. I suggest we let it rest and just allow it to grow naturally. As long as we have good intentions the rest should be easily achieved
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