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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2010 5:20:15 GMT -5
There's been a lot of talk recently about our "Noble Cause".
Now, we have 6 main poll choices:
*Ending World Suck *Universal Equality *Universal Happiness *Open Global Communication *Open Knowledge to Everyone, Everywhere *Global Peaceful Coexistence
Can we not do all of these things?
Think about it, one of the ideas was to get an "ambassador" for the tribe in every country, giving each country, and each group of people in these countries, a voice! We as a tribe are not HUGE, but we are big, and we are growing. Think of what could happen if we started acting AS A TRIBE, just as Dan wants us to. Not only as a tribe though, but as individuals. We all must put in great effort towards our tribal AND individual goals.
Without this, how can we call ourselves a tribe?
We have our de facto "leaders" once Dan decides to part ways with the Moon and let it on its own, but even then, we cannot rely on them alone. But what am I to say? I'm new, I'm not in an active Triad, and I haven't created a project yet..
But this is where you're wrong.
I too dream of a time when the Pogotribe together says "Life is great!" and other tribes, perhaps even the world, joins us in applause. I too dream of the day that we achieve our Noble Cause.
But anyway, why stop at ambassadors of a country? For a country that has such a huge station in the Tribe as the US, Canada, or the UK, why not have REGION, STATE, or PROVINCE ambassadors? Because one thing is for certain, we do need ambassadors.
Now, to close, I want to say a couple of things:
These poll choices mentioned in the beginning don't seem like choices at all, they seem like STEPS.
1: Open Global Communication 2: OPEN Global Communication leads to the trade of FREE Knowledge 3: Free unlimited Knowledge leads to acceptance of beliefs and Global Coexistence 4: Global coexistence leads to Global Friendship and Universal Equality 5: Universal Equality, along with Communication leads to happiness, where everyone is accepted and noone is judged by anything but rational thought
Here's where the magic lies:
6: When we have TRUE equality, there will be no zombies. Everyone will be unique, but accepted, free to take their own viewpoint of the free knowledge. FREE to communicate whenever, however, with whoever they want. Nobody will be pressured into a belief, thus being FREE to choose their own. We will all be equal, but unique, intelligent, and trusting. WORLD SUCK will be a thing of the past, there will be no liberal or conservative.
We don't need to fight about abortion, no rape We don't need to fight about war, we understand and trust eachother We don't need to fight about who gets the money or who pays the taxes or how the little kid in Africa is going to eat tonight. We are free.
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However, there is one flaw with your plan. What if people don't want to be free? I mean, what if people still hold on to previous prejudices and people don't get along? What you're saying is a great plan, a huge endeavor, and it would rock. I've been thinking about the representative thing for a while.
But, your plan is against human nature. People can't just co-exist. There are some people that just need to disagree.
Your plan says what the perfect world is, and how being there can be achieved. Ideally, this is perfect. Realistically, it's not
Still, you're a freaking genius. If this could work, the world would be (big number) times better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2010 11:04:54 GMT -5
Ha, thanks And I did think about that, and I never came to an exact conclusion as to how that would work out... I mean, I guess there is no solution to the whole "Human Nature" ordeal...
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Post by Helmet on Jun 6, 2010 12:17:49 GMT -5
whoah... that is amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2010 14:57:16 GMT -5
I'm glad that you guys like the idea so much This was originally meant to be a video "script", so I might have a video uploaded by late today or early tomorrow
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Post by RyanLyles on Jun 9, 2010 23:34:31 GMT -5
your steps are absolutely incredible! so, when shall we put this in motion?
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Post by Cortney on Jun 10, 2010 0:15:46 GMT -5
I personally think the steps (and the different noble causes they represent) are too vague and subjective.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 9:05:21 GMT -5
I personally think the steps (and the different noble causes they represent) are too vague and subjective. 1: Open Global Communication *We have partially open global communication right now; the internet. If technology grows and a couple of boundaries fall, then this step is easily achieved (Also, the ambassador idea would help A LOT to get this started). 2: OPEN Global Communication leads to the trade of FREE Knowledge *The internet also allows the opportunity for the trade of knowledge and ideas. Once communication is achieved, everyone will be able to communicate on the same level, each person gaining different knowledge from the other, and this can, over time, spread to each and every person in the world, in theory (See "6 Points of Separation) 3: Free unlimited Knowledge leads to acceptance of beliefs and Global Coexistence *After step two is completely achieved, we will all have complete access to any type of knowledge or idea that we want. Once this is done, everyone will have the same exposure to the same beliefs, what they are based on, who started them, etc. There won't be a possibility for anyone to criticize a belief simply because they don't understand what happened or why they believe it, which is what causes MOST if not all discrimination today... 4: Global coexistence leads to Global Friendship and Universal Equality *Pretty easy. Coexistence means to live in harmony with each other, so over time, it makes sense that harmony could grow into friendship. Once we all realize that "Life is Great" this won't be so hard (I believe that hitting this step, if not the next step, would put at least 90% of the world at a "Level 5" mindset) 5: Universal Equality, along with Communication leads to happiness, where everyone is accepted and noone is judged by anything but rational thought. By rational thought, I don't mean "I BELIEVE I'm right, and you're wrong". I mean "I KNOW I'm right, and the entire world agrees with me." After the spread of knowledge and equality comes about, perhaps there will be a few that detest the idea and go into an anarchist mindset, but they will be weeded out. The entire world, save a few people, will have the facts and truth, along with the power to fight. Now, this does sound level 3 and elitist, but it's the only proposal to the "what if someone doesn't agree" argument. By giving equality to the world, it won't be possible for the real elitists to take over, their ideas will be shot down based on facts, history, and common global knowledge. 6: When we have TRUE equality, there will be no zombies. Everyone will be unique, but accepted, free to take their own viewpoint of the free knowledge. FREE to communicate whenever, however, with whoever they want. Nobody will be pressured into a belief, thus being FREE to choose their own. We will all be equal, but unique, intelligent, and trusting. WORLD SUCK will be a thing of the past, there will be no liberal or conservative. *Ok, no liberal or conservative, that's an overstatement, but it's at least partly true. This step explains itself, hopefully. Thanks for pointing that out Cortney. Criticism always helps as well
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Post by shinigami345 on Jun 10, 2010 11:19:42 GMT -5
Hmm, I'm questioning the tactics to make this work. Strategically its sound though. One more thing, Who would lead this utopia you speak of? Would this "ambassador" you speak of lead their respective location in which case it would be set up kind of like the military in which the state ambassador would report to the regional the regional to the national. But would we have a "global" leader? How could we possibly elect one, though? Oh, and Global Knowledge is already freely spread for the most part all we have to do is get rid of the copyright laws that prevent programs like bit torrent from legally sharing that information.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 14:51:19 GMT -5
The ambassadors wouldn't be leaders, more like speakers. They wouldn't have power over the people, but they would take what the people of their region say and report it.
See, the problem with leadership though, is that it gives some people more power. This is where conspiracy theories and "classified" government acts come from..
This is just an idea, as a utopia cannot be achieved. Think, we've all seen something like this in books and movies, and the government and media usually turn the population into zombies in these stories..
That's why we need to gain the concept of a global coexistence before attempting anything close to a global government. Also, of course one person would not lead this. If anything, it should be a VERY large group of people, with at least 10-15 representatives for each group of people (region, ethnicity, however you want to split it up).
Also, a democracy sounds great, but it usually gets turned more into what the US is today. 2 sides fighting in the populace while 2 sides fight in the governmental seats. We aren't even a true democracy. The people do not make the laws or elect the presidents. We elect representatives to elect things for us. This doesn't work, for multiple reasons... The only way to achieve true majority is to have each person from each region from each country vote.
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Post by shinigami345 on Jun 10, 2010 15:49:51 GMT -5
No one would be judged by anything but rational thought? No one would be judged. That's more like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 16:36:05 GMT -5
No one would be judged by anything but rational thought? No one would be judged. That's more like it. When you think about it, it really isn't better that way. There will always be that .1% that argues and tries to change everything for the worse. There will always be the people who refuse to see the facts, and these people have the potential to change the world. If you want a perfect world, you can't let that happen. But you can't fight them with beliefs, that is how wars start...
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Post by shinigami345 on Jun 10, 2010 17:14:49 GMT -5
How can we define rational thought, though? What may be rational to you may be irrational to someone else. For example, we could look at religion. There are just as many people that believe there is a god that believe there isn't and both sides believe the other is wrong. How could we possibly decide?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 17:35:37 GMT -5
I was thinking that rational thought would be taken as straight-up facts, provable over and over again. I mean, the whole point really is to respect each others beliefs, so if we're at say, step 5, there wouldn't really be a need to fight over it, because nobody would.
Maybe I should have said something like "Facts" instead of "Rational Thought". Sorry
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Post by shinigami345 on Jun 10, 2010 19:47:47 GMT -5
I volunteer to be ambassador of Iowa. I'll have to bust out my social dynamics and political skills to get people to follow me though. If anyone wants to learn social dynamics I can teach it, or at least point you in the right direction as to where to learn it.
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Post by TheIslander on Jun 12, 2010 7:31:51 GMT -5
You are thinking too fast, we have nothing to build a hierarchy around. Below I listed what I think we should work on before creating a hierarchy. Working on financing, social growth and ( a bit) on technology would be best for now. Read on:
Step 1 : Financially Think about generating money. Money from the inside (donations) and from the outside (services). Money will play a big role if SPOTM wants to take on larger projects. Generate revenue for the sake of generating revenue. The reasons and on what we should use it would come later.
Step 2: Socially This is, IMO the most important. We have, as you mention a 'big' tribe. Big in the sense that it is spread around the world. But big does not mean that it is strong. We now need DENSITY. Having 5 people in one country is much more effective than having 5 people in 5 different countries. We need to move towards having more people which can connect IRL realistically. This is moving towards FREQUENT local real life gatherings... (think TEDx... but SPOTM). This step requires most preparation. SPOTM right now, is just an online site. People on here need to get more personal if this would work, but with getting more personal, we need more security. With stronger clusters, will come stronger ideas - stronger ideas of what our causes should be and how we should act on them.
Step 3: Technological Presently, we are technically weak (IMO). The only changes made are made by the admins with few exceptions. Given financial and social growth, technological growth will come naturally. We will be able to get people who join the community simply to develop it technologically (and stick around after).. we would develop services which foster financial and social growth.
Step 4: Operational Create a hierarchy as you mention, a hierarchy which would manage the finance, technology.. and operate on our big projects which would work towards the noble cause. As you mention, it must be socially viable and representative of its members. (country, region) etc.
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Post by earth on Jun 13, 2010 15:48:18 GMT -5
that was pretty cool. yeah. absolutely. but we should at least help the little kid in africa, no?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 17:43:20 GMT -5
that was pretty cool. yeah. absolutely. but we should at least help the little kid in africa, no? Hahaha, it wasn't supposed to sound that harsh (if harsh at all). I mean, one of Africas biggest problems is that NOBODY agrees with each other, and a lot of the authority figures are greedy. If this can be changed, then a lot of the problems in Africa can be solved as well.
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Post by earth on Jun 13, 2010 18:22:53 GMT -5
oh. yeah. i agree with that too. youre pretty smart.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 18:38:48 GMT -5
oh. yeah. i agree with that too. youre pretty smart. Nahh, I just spend too much time thinking about things and all the nonsense comes together to make stuff like this
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