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Post by Lex on Jul 2, 2010 17:42:01 GMT -5
Well, I do consider it a mental disorder, but at the same time its not hurting anyone, so its fine by me. How did you develop this thesis? Through the likes of Glenn Beck, Billo the Clown or their other favourite talking head, possibly?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2010 17:45:42 GMT -5
I'm completely accepting of gay people, it doesn't really make a difference to me. I actually find them to be nicer and more accepting than a lot of other people..
Although, I'm from the edge of the "bible belt" in South Carolina, so A LOT of my friends are the kind of Christians that believe that all gays and people accepting of gays are going to burn in a lake of fire..
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Post by velvetdivorce on Jul 2, 2010 18:07:17 GMT -5
Of course I'm "okay with it". I'm down with that SHIRT, er.. yo! Even IF you're an intense Christian who thinks it's wrong, even IF you think they're going to burn in hell (and I certainly believe they won't [no more than anyone else is likely to, and in my mind no one is likely to /babble ) , and by Christian teachings; it's not your business to judge them and generally be an arsehole about it. So why wouldn't you just leave them bloody be?
...Is this poll kind of here to figure out if there are any arsehole bigots in our midst? ¬_¬
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 2, 2010 18:08:06 GMT -5
How did you develop this thesis? Through the likes of Glenn Beck, Billo the Clown or their other favourite talking head, possibly? I don't think Glenn Beck talks about gays ......but way to go in insulting people instead of provideng a valid argument, you must be watching him a lot. I know what I said may seem harsh and intolerant, but if we are to accept that Pedophilia or zoofilia are disorders what is so different in this case? They are all sexual disorders. Of course its not something that hurts another being, so it my book they should have a right to marry etc. I knew I would get a lot of BS for saying what I think but I just see things for what they are .
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 2, 2010 18:14:13 GMT -5
Yeah, children and animals are clearly the same as consenting adults. Obviously.
And Alex didn't insult you. He insulted your ideas, yes, but you insulted him more than he insulted you.
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Post by velvetdivorce on Jul 2, 2010 18:14:59 GMT -5
It's a sexual 'disorder' or 'abnormality' if you're taking a Victorian approach to it. I'd have liked to have thought that we'd progressed from such insensitive terminology. Homosexuality in-and-of-itself is not fetishistic.
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Post by Lex on Jul 2, 2010 18:28:58 GMT -5
Yes, comparing me to pedophiles and zoophiles is really a nice thing to say. Then again, I've been called worse things today. This is the least of my problems, it's laughable.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 3, 2010 1:40:05 GMT -5
Yeah, children and animals are clearly the same as consenting adults. Obviously. And Alex didn't insult you. He insulted your ideas, yes, but you insulted him more than he insulted you. But I was never attacking the morality of being gay. Also, your argument states that lack of morality and mental disabilities are the same thing....
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 3, 2010 1:49:46 GMT -5
Yes, comparing me to pedophiles and zoophiles is really a nice thing to say. Then again, I've been called worse things today. This is the least of my problems, it's laughable. I just gave other examples of sexual disorders, that's all. You don't have to take it personally, I'm trying to give a different side of the story here. Everyone claims to have an open mind, but you didn't present any argument agains what I said, you just took it personally and got insulted.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 3, 2010 2:37:18 GMT -5
We claim that certain things, such as pedophilia and zoophilia, are disorders because they are wrong and because we believe that a "normal" person would not want to do these immoral things, so if they do, it's because there's something wrong with their brain. If you think that homosexuality is a disorder, that implies that you think it is immoral.
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Post by Trey on Jul 3, 2010 9:29:36 GMT -5
Pedophilia and zoophilia are not forms of sexual orientation, so you really can't compare them to something like homosexuality or bisexuality.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 3, 2010 13:09:15 GMT -5
Chelsea, you are wrong, those are two different ideas. "mental disorder, mental disturbance, disturbance, psychological disorder, folie ((psychiatry) a psychological disorder of thought or emotion; a more neutral term than mental illness)"
This has nothing to do with morality of things. According to your definition every person that does something immoral has a mental disorder.
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Post by Lex on Jul 3, 2010 13:22:02 GMT -5
Chelsea, you are wrong, those are two different ideas. "mental disorder, mental disturbance, disturbance, psychological disorder, folie ((psychiatry) a psychological disorder of thought or emotion; a more neutral term than mental illness)" This has nothing to do with morality of things. According to your definition every person that does something immoral has a mental disorder. It's not a disorder, though. A disorder can be diagnosed. Homosexuality or Bisexuality is simply a preference -- hence "sexual preference". Preferences are not a choice, nor are they an illness. Various factors affect our preferences in life.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 3, 2010 13:46:12 GMT -5
Your comma splice makes me cry on the dark abysmal inside.
For you to assert that homosexuality is a mental disorder, it's because you think there's something wrong with it. They don't think correctly. Hence the word "disorder." You wouldn't go around saying something a person does is a disorder unless you thought that thing was wrong. You need a reason for it.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Jul 3, 2010 13:56:11 GMT -5
Chelsea, you are wrong, those are two different ideas. "mental disorder, mental disturbance, disturbance, psychological disorder, folie ((psychiatry) a psychological disorder of thought or emotion; a more neutral term than mental illness)" This has nothing to do with morality of things. According to your definition every person that does something immoral has a mental disorder. It's not a disorder, though. A disorder can be diagnosed. Homosexuality or Bisexuality is simply a preference -- hence "sexual preference". Preferences are not a choice, nor are they an illness. Various factors affect our preferences in life. Ding ding ding.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 3, 2010 15:00:30 GMT -5
Chelsea, you are wrong, those are two different ideas. "mental disorder, mental disturbance, disturbance, psychological disorder, folie ((psychiatry) a psychological disorder of thought or emotion; a more neutral term than mental illness)" This has nothing to do with morality of things. According to your definition every person that does something immoral has a mental disorder. It's not a disorder, though. A disorder can be diagnosed. Homosexuality or Bisexuality is simply a preference -- hence "sexual preference". Preferences are not a choice, nor are they an illness. Various factors affect our preferences in life. Ok, but preference is just a predisposition in favor of something. Its not an argument for or against in this conversatin, you are just stating a fact. I could build on this but I will stop here as I don't want you to get insulted again.
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Post by Alex on Jul 3, 2010 15:13:52 GMT -5
Beastiality = Choice of human, animal can't decide for itself. Pedophilia = Choice of adult, child usually can't decide. Homosexuality = Choice of both people. Heterosexuality = Choice of both people. Bisexuality = Choice of both people.
See a difference?
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 3, 2010 15:18:36 GMT -5
Chelsea, you are using the word "wrong" differently in this post and it the last one you made. Before you used "wrong" as something opposite to the moral standards but this time you are using it to represent something that broken. But let me adress your recent post, if we accept that sex has a reason behind it, and that reason is the continuity of the given species, then what is the reason for two same sex partners to have sex? Of course you could argue pleasure, but this is only what makes us have sex in the first place not the reason for it.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 3, 2010 15:26:30 GMT -5
Beastiality = Choice of human, animal can't decide for itself. Pedophilia = Choice of adult, child usually can't decide. Homosexuality = Choice of both people. Heterosexuality = Choice of both people. Bisexuality = Choice of both people. See a difference? Yes I see that difference, and this is why I argued that homosexuals should have a right to marry. At the same time you can't use that as a standard to look for mental disabilities. Let me put it this way, if you for example accept Pedophelia as a disability of some sorts, and accept that in 100% of the cases, but you find 1 child that will make a clear decision to have sex with an older man, is that man healed? Or if a person wants to have sex with a chair, the chair will be fine but is that person mentally all right?
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Post by Alex on Jul 3, 2010 15:28:19 GMT -5
Beastiality = Choice of human, animal can't decide for itself. Pedophilia = Choice of adult, child usually can't decide. Homosexuality = Choice of both people. Heterosexuality = Choice of both people. Bisexuality = Choice of both people. See a difference? Yes I see that difference, and this is why I argued that homosexuals should have a right to marry. At the same time you can't use that as a standard to look for mental disabilities. Let me put it this way, if you for example accept Pedophelia as a disability of some sorts, and accept that in 100% of the cases, but you find 1 child that will make a clear decision to have sex with an older man, is that man healed? Or if a person wants to have sex with a chair, the chair will be fine but is that person mentally all right? If the child makes that choice, they obviously do not know what is going on or have been very mentally scarred.
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