Yokailo
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Post by Yokailo on Jul 4, 2010 15:05:51 GMT -5
You did. But I think people started bitching at you because of the negative, 'harmful for yourself and others'-sound mental disorder has. I'm still not entirely convinced, but I can't really put into words why, so I suppose someone else should take over or this thread should just die xD
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 4, 2010 15:13:16 GMT -5
Yes! Now according to the Pogo rulez I HAVE YOUR SOUL!
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Post by Lex on Jul 4, 2010 16:13:19 GMT -5
And I may be wrong, I'll need Alex's opinion on this, but if you'd force a homosexual to have sex and have babies with a woman/man, they could, even if they're gay. It's not like their sperm is different, or their wombs. They just prefer not to, which makes it a preference. I'm bisexual, but I would imagine that a guy who is gay might have a very difficult time "getting it up". I mean, I get your point that the sex cells aren't any different. Also, krzych32, no credible medical organization in the Western Hemisphere defines homosexuality as a mental disorder. So, unless you're some sort of medical expert, you can't claim it's a mental disorder because you have no experience in the field whatsoever.
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Post by metallica210 on Jul 4, 2010 23:34:58 GMT -5
human nature = reproduce.
gays = cannot reproduce.
not natural. not saying its a bad thing.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 4, 2010 23:42:56 GMT -5
And I may be wrong, I'll need Alex's opinion on this, but if you'd force a homosexual to have sex and have babies with a woman/man, they could, even if they're gay. It's not like their sperm is different, or their wombs. They just prefer not to, which makes it a preference. I'm bisexual, but I would imagine that a guy who is gay might have a very difficult time "getting it up". I mean, I get your point that the sex cells aren't any different. Also, krzych32, no credible medical organization in the Western Hemisphere defines homosexuality as a mental disorder. So, unless you're some sort of medical expert, you can't claim it's a mental disorder because you have no experience in the field whatsoever. Hehe, I love how people use "you are no expert" argument when they themselves have nothing interesting to add. You do realize that this is a debate part of this forum? This is what we do here, debate. I present my opinion and then back it up with logic and evidence, you do the same, and that's a debate. What are you, 16? I don't think that at 16 you are an expert in anything, so from now on every time I see your comment somewhere on some debate topic I will just tell you to not speak because you don't know what you are talking about. Edit: Oh, and I looked it up and you are wrong. ICD, an international organization that classifies diseases and disorders considers homosexuality to be a disorder. Its under "Sexual and gender identity disorders", 2010 version, the code is 302, for homosexuality go to 302.50.
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Post by swan on Jul 5, 2010 0:58:20 GMT -5
Oh, and I looked it up and you are wrong. ICD, an international organization that classifies diseases and disorders considers homosexuality to be a disorder. Its under "Sexual and gender identity disorders", 2010 version, the code is 302, for homosexuality go to 302.50. Code 302.50 is "Trans-sexualism with unspecified sexual history" where "Trans-sexualism" is defined as wanting to be a member of the opposite sex, which is not the same as Homosexuality. In fact the only place where Homosexuality is mentioned is in code 302.52 which is "Trans-sexualism with homosexual history" and the disorder itself is still not Homosexuality. Now maybe I'm looking in the wrong place so here's my link so you can see where I went wrong (assuming I went wrong at all).
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 5, 2010 8:06:25 GMT -5
I have to apologise, I was reading about the 1987 version, I take back that statement.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Jul 5, 2010 8:12:36 GMT -5
human nature = reproduce. gays = cannot reproduce. not natural. not saying its a bad thing. Sterile people can't reproduce either, are they unnatural too?
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 5, 2010 8:15:48 GMT -5
human nature = reproduce. gays = cannot reproduce. not natural. not saying its a bad thing. Sterile people can't reproduce either, are they unnatural too? Everyone stop using "unnatural". What does this even mean is this discussion? Are some people made of better quality grain or something?
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Jul 5, 2010 8:23:44 GMT -5
Ask him.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 5, 2010 10:36:14 GMT -5
I see where Robert is going after, in fact I have used the same thing to support my theory, let me paste it here.
"But let me adress your recent post, if we accept that sex has a reason behind it, and that reason is the continuity of the given species, then what is the reason for two same sex partners to have sex? Of course you could argue pleasure, but this is only what makes us have sex in the first place not the reason for it."
Just wanted to add that I'm still waiting for a counter -argument. But that's beside the point. @ Robert, I would like to see you build on your argument. @randikthxxx, he is hardly the only one doing that, both sides on this forum have used the "unnatural, natural" argument. I just don't see an argument going somewhere if we start using such loose terms.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Jul 5, 2010 12:30:29 GMT -5
You quoted us and he used the term before I did, therefore you should probably direct your questions to him.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 5, 2010 15:13:54 GMT -5
OK then, Robert, how do you classifysomething as natural or unnatural? What are the standards according to you?
BTW Randi, what's up with the whole "Alcohol Sucks" thing? Its the best invention since sex!
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Post by Lex on Jul 5, 2010 15:24:54 GMT -5
BTW Randi, what's up with the whole "Alcohol Sucks" thing? Its the best invention since sex! Straight edge lifestyle. Alcohol does suck.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Jul 5, 2010 15:54:48 GMT -5
BTW Randi, what's up with the whole "Alcohol Sucks" thing? Its the best invention since sex! Straight edge lifestyle. Alcohol does suck. This. Alex you rule so much right now.
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Post by krzych32 on Jul 5, 2010 16:02:30 GMT -5
Straight edge lifestyle. Alcohol does suck. This. Alex you rule so much right now. Well, considering that you are 16. Good for you.
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Post by Lex on Jul 5, 2010 16:05:36 GMT -5
This. Alex you rule so much right now. Well, considering that you are 16. Good for you. Well, considering that you derailed the topic, Good for you.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Jul 5, 2010 16:06:23 GMT -5
What the fck is that supposed to mean? You know kids have access to alcohol. I could drink if I want to, but I choose not. Mkay?
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Post by Sean on Jul 5, 2010 16:29:07 GMT -5
The reason I say Gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt is that people are influenced alot by the cover of a book.
They would get a load of SHIRT at school and that just isnt fair on them.
PLUS, i'm not religious but this sums this up well. If god intended people to be gay then why can they not reproduce? AND god created adam and eve... not adam and steve
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Jul 5, 2010 16:35:14 GMT -5
You're joking right?
At one point, minorities got SHIRT for wanting civil rights too. But did we lie down and take that? Fuck no, we worked until equal rights were ensured for ALL Americans. What's not fair is a kid having to go to bed without loving parents to take care of them when there are many gay couples willing and able to do so.
PLUS, you're not a supernatural being, so you have no way to know what God wants or why he thinks the way he does.
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