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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 14, 2010 5:38:09 GMT -5
now that we've settled this...can we move on?
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Post by Breepop on Jul 14, 2010 5:40:04 GMT -5
Did you like, not see the pogotok? Pretty sure I did. Pretty sure it said we should discuss and try to find our Noble Cause. Pretty sure it didn't say we were going to have a Noble Cause soon. Pretty sure discussing the Noble Cause doesn't equate to having a Noble Cause.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Jul 14, 2010 5:42:30 GMT -5
Did you like, not see the pogotok? Pretty sure I did. Pretty sure it said we should discuss and try to find our Noble Cause. Pretty sure it didn't say we were going to have a Noble Cause soon. Pretty sure discussing the Noble Cause doesn't equate to having a Noble Cause. Well, how the hell are we gonna get one if we don't discuss one? We're at least trying for one, and at this rate, I predict in about a month for the noble cause. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by Speckley on Jul 14, 2010 5:45:28 GMT -5
Pretty sure I did. Pretty sure it said we should discuss and try to find our Noble Cause. Pretty sure it didn't say we were going to have a Noble Cause soon. Pretty sure discussing the Noble Cause doesn't equate to having a Noble Cause. Well, how the hell are we gonna get one if we don't discuss one? We're at least trying for one, and at this rate, I predict in about a month for the noble cause. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think Bree ever said that. Pretty sure that, while we may start some more serious, focussed discussion on a Noble Cause, we still might not be able to get a Noble Cause out of just one discussion. Pretty sure we will make some big steps toward finding our Noble Cause, though.
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Post by Breepop on Jul 14, 2010 5:46:17 GMT -5
Well, how the hell are we gonna get one if we don't discuss one? We're at least trying for one, and at this rate, I predict in about a month for the noble cause. Correct me if I'm wrong.I know, sometimes I might seem so awesome that I give off this aura of knowing everything. Unfortunately, my knowledge doesn't quite reach into the realm of knowing the future. Pretty sure the same can be said for you. P.S. This was fun. I had fun. Did you have fun? I had fun. Yep! : D
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Post by Insane_Zang on Jul 14, 2010 5:49:42 GMT -5
Well, how the hell are we gonna get one if we don't discuss one? We're at least trying for one, and at this rate, I predict in about a month for the noble cause. Correct me if I'm wrong.I know, sometimes I might seem so awesome that I give off this aura of knowing everything. Unfortunately, my knowledge doesn't quite reach into the realm of knowing the future. Pretty sure the same can be said for you. P.S. This was fun. I had fun. Did you have fun? I had fun. Yep! : D I meant, I thought the intention was to finish it soon, not that it will be done
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Post by zAkAtAk on Jul 14, 2010 7:00:59 GMT -5
Oh wow, this thread shat itself after I posted. Insane_Zang: I would make a bet that in 1 months time we are still at the same pitstop we are now.
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Post by Vorrik on Jul 14, 2010 8:52:30 GMT -5
I really cant see things changing in a month, we need to get organized if anything....
but with the state of things right now that doesnt seem like its going to happen with all the bitching going around and people crying that dan wont be around to pat people on the head and tell them they've done a good job. We need to find our purpouse on our own and not sit around bitching at eachother over the level immaturity in the forums, god sake if i see another 12 yr old giving out that a 20 year old is being immature im going to die inside and become a heartless monster that eats babies
personally i dont think we can "change the world" thats too far fetched, but i think we can do some form of good for people .. like charity... like jeans malawi charity... like donating money to her and the like... *I ENDORSE THIS*
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Post by UnfairBear on Jul 14, 2010 8:56:18 GMT -5
>.>
i like that guy ^
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Post by Linus on Jul 14, 2010 8:56:33 GMT -5
I still think it's way too early to actually say that we can decide on a Noble Cause... first of all, there is no harmony in the tribe; we're not a like-minded group (which is mostly because of the lack of a common goal, as stated earlier in this thread). We are a loosely connected group of individuals (even if some people here could probably be considered to have a level 4 mentality. But it needs to be like that in the whole tribe). A "Noble Cause discussion" isn't really what we need, we need a "Common Goal discussion" (The Manifesto will help in discussing and deciding on both of them, btw). The Noble Cause doesn't need to be the same thing as the common goal, but "Change the world" is a common goal that is way too vague. Everyone wants to change the world in different ways. Most of the things suggested as "Noble Cause" would actually be more suitable as a "common goal".
Within the common goal we can then define a Noble Cause (and hey, who says we can't have more than one?). But trying to decide on a Noble Cause at this stage will never, ever, ever be possible if the community stays as it is today. Speaking in tribal terms: we need to be at least a level 4 tribe. We are not close as of today. The argument in this thread between bombmaniac and Bree is partly an example of why the Pogotribe as a tribe can be considered to be a level 3 tribe. On several points, they both think they're absolutely right and that the other one is totally wrong. Truth is, they both actually have valid points. We need to be able to compromise.
Bottom line is: we can't just skip the whole connecting-the.tribe-step and expect to make progress beyond that, when it is not done yet. We won't have a Noble Cause decided on in a month. Maybe not for a very, very long time. It will require a lot of effort, and we can't aim for the price if we're not prepared and ready for the race. I mean, look at this community. 8 months after it started up we haven't come that far. The original thing we all joined the tribe for was Dan's enthusiasm and ideas about community, as well as the values. But Dan isn't around anymore, so we are left with loose ends.
I don't know how it is for you, but for me, the Noble Cause is at the very end of the line, and coming up with a common goal is at our first priority right now. But please, we mustn't confuse the two.
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Post by Cortney on Jul 14, 2010 9:33:31 GMT -5
Ohmahgod.
I'm with Bree on this, for the most part. You guys are so focused on changing the world, that you seem to forget there are necessary steps before we can do that. We have to grow strong as a community (and this will also happen while participating in SMALL projects, not world-changing-ones). MLKJ started out with speeches and non-violent protests. He didn't say "Hey, we deserve rights!" then march to Washington the very next day. No. That's not how it works.
I love the enthusiasm - there is nothing wrong with that. However, you guys need to pay more attention to our "negativity" which I would prefer to call "being realistic." Yes, think impossibly big is one of our values, but that doesn't mean that we need to attempt and accomplish our impossibly big thoughts in a week.
Dan's project will actually help us. It is designed to build a strong community. We're not changing the world, we're preparing ourselves to change the world.
Right now, we have about 100 (tops) ACTIVE members. 100 kids who are mostly between the ages of 13 and 25. On an Internet forum. I'd like to see you guys change the world at this stage. Hey, guess what? YOU CAN'T. However, you can focus all of that energy into something that is actually productive, like smaller projects and pushing our tribe toward level 4 and making this a place where someone will want to stay active, not sign up and leave the next week.
Yes, changing the world in some way is a possibility in the future. It is NOT a possibility right now. Sitting on our asses and pointing out that we're at a standstill does jackshit. DO SOMETHING. Participate in projects. Encourage others to do the same. Really put some effort into following the values as best you can. THEN, after all of that is done to the best of EVERYONE'S ability, and it is continuously being done to the best of EVERYONE'S ability, and we have more than 100 active members, and we have a Noble Cause, and we're all happy: THEN we can focus more on changing the world.
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Post by zAkAtAk on Jul 14, 2010 9:40:35 GMT -5
Hey thanks cortney
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Post by Benyamin on Jul 14, 2010 10:31:05 GMT -5
I think It is going to take a while to resolve all of this. I think I agree with bree on the fact that we need to change the tribe first before we go world-changing
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 14, 2010 10:46:37 GMT -5
Bree, it seems like you didn't really get my original post. I'm not saying we need to change the world on a massive scale right now. I just want to see us doing a little more to make the world a little better. We don't need huge projects right now. I know that. But just because there's only a few of us, and we can't do something huge, that doesn't mean that we can't do anything. Also, I wasn't trying to complain. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I was just trying to remind people that we're here for a reason and make them want to work towards that goal again. (And I understand that you may not be here for the same reason. But this was meant as a push for the people who are here for the same reasons as me to focus on our goal) You make a good point about changing ourselves first, and like someone else said, we need to work together and help each other change. I'll definitely work on that.
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Post by TheIslander on Jul 14, 2010 13:31:02 GMT -5
Perfect example of a bureaucracy, everyone wants a slice of the cake - but no one is sure which slice they want or which cake it is. There needs to be a core leader of the organisation as Dan was. But autonomy from Dan was a great idea wasn't it? Not so much.
This community thinks it's full of leaders, in reality it isn't.. hence all the ranting in this thread.
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Post by zAkAtAk on Jul 14, 2010 13:33:21 GMT -5
I want pie.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 14, 2010 13:37:33 GMT -5
TheIslander, this has nothing to do with Dan. I'm confident that we can lead ourselves without the assistance of Dan. I think things have slowed down on SPOTM recently mostly because this isn't new and exciting anymore, and we've all just lost our initial enthusiasm. We just need to get that feeling back and revamp the Moon. /me gives Zak pie.
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Post by TheIslander on Jul 14, 2010 13:49:26 GMT -5
TheIslander, this has nothing to do with Dan. I'm confident that we can lead ourselves without the assistance of Dan. I think things have slowed down on SPOTM recently mostly because this isn't new and exciting anymore, and we've all just lost our initial enthusiasm. We just need to get that feeling back and revamp the Moon. /me gives Zak pie. Nothing has slowed down Chelsea, you just woke up and noticed how useless most of the things here have been without Dan leading the community. Find a new leader or call it quits.
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 14, 2010 13:58:45 GMT -5
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier said than done....
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 14, 2010 14:02:15 GMT -5
No, things have definitely slowed down.. I remember a few months ago being involved in 5 or 6 projects at once.. Now I'm in like 2.... And the projects section gets wayyyy fewer posts than it used to. And new projects are rarely ever made.
Why is everyone telling me to leave? Is that really what you guys want?
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