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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 14, 2010 14:10:34 GMT -5
FUCK NO CHELSEA!!! STAAAAAAAAAYYY!!!
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Post by Breepop on Jul 14, 2010 15:37:07 GMT -5
On several points, they both think they're absolutely right and that the other one is totally wrong. Not really. Bree, it seems like you didn't really get my original post. I'm not saying we need to change the world on a massive scale right now. I just want to see us doing a little more to make the world a little better. We don't need huge projects right now. I know that. But just because there's only a few of us, and we can't do something huge, that doesn't mean that we can't do anything. Also, I wasn't trying to complain. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I was just trying to remind people that we're here for a reason and make them want to work towards that goal again. (And I understand that you may not be here for the same reason. But this was meant as a push for the people who are here for the same reasons as me to focus on our goal) You make a good point about changing ourselves first, and like someone else said, we need to work together and help each other change. I'll definitely work on that. It should be noted that most of the posts in this thread by me (basically the last time I replied to you directly was the last time I was talking about you specifically) were not directed at you.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 14, 2010 15:44:55 GMT -5
It should be noted that most of the posts in this thread by me (basically the last time I replied to you directly was the last time I was talking about you specifically) were not directed at you. Why is that relevant? If we're talking about the tribe, I don't see how that really matters...
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Post by charlaine2124 on Jul 14, 2010 16:10:38 GMT -5
I'd just like to add in a little here I agree with everyone Everyone has good points And my summary is similar to Emma's, in the we seem to be fighting over something while all managing to agree on many things... the one's I'd like to highlight are (in no particular order): - triads are cool, but the way in which we do them sucks
- triads do, however, bring people together and engage people who wouldn't otherwise necessarily meet (I met Yokailo in my triad, but I don't think I would have otherwise) and builds relationships.
- the above is the first bit of the community building process
- we're not a level 4 triad yet, and very few people are of a level 4 mentality. But now that we have acknowledged the problem, we can try to fix it. And an identified problem is much easier to fix than an unknown one.
- Noble cause - see above. while identifying the noble cause is a huge task, having some form of goal is what drives you forwards. Thinking impossibly big is also kind of hard. Is it not said "while eating the elephant, it is important not to step back and look at the whole elephant". Sure, have the ultimate goal of eating the elephant, but maybe this year we try not to look at the elephant (now that we know it's there) but only at the tail, which is what we shall eat first
- Community =/= love and joy 24/7. I fight with lots of people lots of the time, and most of them are my mother or sister or best friend or boyfriend.
Ok, I also managed to stick some opinions in there, but if anyone radically disagrees feel free to discuss. my ideas are only half-formed, and it's late at night so I probably didn't explain myself well... *edit* I forgot to mention that this summer I will be spending lots of time at Christian camps. when I went to them this time last year I was not a nerdfighter, or had even heard of Dan Brown. This year, I'm looking at the whole purpose of the camps and thinking "I am going to be in a tent with 10,000 Teenagers just from the UK who basically want to decrease world-suck" (as if you look at the bible, and particularly the gospel that's what it boils down to) So, I'm not trying to convert you all to Christianity, just kinda pointing out this huge audience of people our age, who want to get out there and do something (in the name of god, but meh) that is worthwhile, and give water to the children of Africa and all that jazz. That is a community already formed, IRL, who would be massively receptive to a message like that which I think SPOTM really wants to send out. I actually make a huge number of comparisons with Christianity to SPOTM. and I'm sure it's the same with other religions. I'm sure Ash could tell us about all the amazing things the Jews get up to quietly (well, more quietly than the Christians) and anyone else of any other religion is free to contribute. We are a community that is almost a sub-community of the community of communities who want to decrease world suck (mental note - find a way to re word that with fewer uses of the word community). All the people in the world who go and do Aid work in Haiti or Sudan or Afghanistan are part of this ideal, and all the people who work in homeless shelters or soup kitchens. I think the tribe shouldn't forget that WE ARE NOT ALONE in wanting to decrease world suck. I think I was going to make a point after all that, but every time I tried to word it it came out wrong. I don't even know if I can make a point after that. Maybe it's just a thing. Ah well, I like things.
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Post by Breepop on Jul 14, 2010 16:12:02 GMT -5
Why is that relevant? If we're talking about the tribe, I don't see how that really matters... It's relevant because I can see how your complaining (i.e. this thread) can be productive, while complaints I've seen from other people aren't productive at all. They're just complaints.
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Post by Shaken Earth on Jul 14, 2010 21:01:57 GMT -5
Firstly, there’s the matter of doing something to change the world. I also dislike that the triads are so formal. I know that usually you need structure in order to make things succeed, but I honestly think the triads could be more effective if they didn’t. The structure of the triads makes it so that all of the triads in one generation are releasing projects at the same time. If these projects need volunteers to help out, it is likely that they will all fail. It’s just not possible for 6 or 8 or however many projects there are to all get the number of volunteers they need. There are only so many people who can help out, and we can’t expect everyone to be a part of every project. I’ve said this many times, and I still stand by my assertion that people should be forming unofficial triads. I feel like these would be infinitely more successful than the official triads. An unofficial triad will be doing what they do because they truly want to, not just because they feel like they need to be in a triad. And if they can set their own deadlines, they won’t feel stressed and end up hating the process, as, at least from my own experience, I know can happen. I totally agree with you except for a couple of things. I think most projects should be dedicated to helping the world but some must still be to help the SPOTM. Without projects to help the SPOTM, the PogoTribe will fall apart. I completely agree with you about the triad thing though. I, and many others, work better when we feel truly passionate about something and set our own deadlines (maybe this is why schools have failed[not grade-wise] so many kids with potential).
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 15, 2010 12:03:20 GMT -5
I totally agree with you except for a couple of things. I think most projects should be dedicated to helping the world but some must still be to help the SPOTM. Without projects to help the SPOTM, the PogoTribe will fall apart. I never said that those projects should stop. I would be happy if we had one successful world-suck-decreasing project. I don't see a problem with community-building projects, but I definitely think they shouldn't be the only projects we have.
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Post by penguinpalsrkewl on Jul 16, 2010 4:47:05 GMT -5
I totally agree with you except for a couple of things. I think most projects should be dedicated to helping the world but some must still be to help the SPOTM. Without projects to help the SPOTM, the PogoTribe will fall apart. I never said that those projects should stop. I would be happy if we had one successful world-suck-decreasing project. I don't see a problem with community-building projects, but I definitely think they shouldn't be the only projects we have. WORLD SUCK DECREASING PROJECT?!? HEY GUYS!!! Do you see that sticked thread up there? I think it's in projects, maybe in Anything and Everything. And it's like this thing, that's been installed, and like... when you install it... it's like... this screensaver. And like... some magic happens and somehow it does something good in the world. Like... cancer or something. And the last time I checked, which was like... 4 months ago, we had A LOT of people part of the team all participating and whatnot, and we had managed to rack up A LOT of points! WHOOT. I dunno about you guys, but that sounds like a successful decreasing world suck project. It's cool because even if you aren't on the moon anymore or are inactive or something, you are still part of it and racking up points for it. Unless.. well.. if you uninstall the program... which is mean.
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Post by Rogers91 on Jul 18, 2010 0:01:29 GMT -5
so uhh first off.. this tribe hasn't even been around for a year... anyone else think that maybe the projects to decrease world suck haven't hit off much cause we as a tribe haven't even developed enough to like each other fully. i mean i don't know any of you the only one i have any opinion of is Zak and he is a minor troll and inspirational agrivater...
also this is a turbulent time... cause the tribe is trying to do something but hasn't decided on what it wants to do...
also today i watched and tried to be a part of an unofficial collaboration that started on this forum..
OK i lost my train of though and my point as well. sadly all i can think about is yelling at a person that makes my life suck every time i see her and if i keep having to deal with her then i will be on death row whilst a cleaning team is washing her entrails from a wall...
edit: can't we do both. world suck projects and team building exercises.. they can work hand and hand... even though if you look at real life examples such as the military you start with months of team building and breaking you into something usefull then send you on your missions.. or even work you take at least a week out of your life to learn the ropes then start your task. heck if you go for something like being a doctor which could helpo decrease world suck then you have years of school and training before you get a chance at helping people...
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Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 18, 2010 0:56:02 GMT -5
can't we do both. world suck projects and team building exercises.. they can work hand and hand... even though if you look at real life examples such as the military you start with months of team building and breaking you into something usefull then send you on your missions.. or even work you take at least a week out of your life to learn the ropes then start your task. heck if you go for something like being a doctor which could helpo decrease world suck then you have years of school and training before you get a chance at helping people... /facepalm I never said that those projects should stop. I would be happy if we had one successful world-suck-decreasing project. I don't see a problem with community-building projects, but I definitely think they shouldn't be the only projects we have.
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Post by NormanTheOne on Jul 18, 2010 12:27:35 GMT -5
Honestly, in my opinion the biggest issue is that we are aiming in every direction, hence aiming in no direction. We have the noble cause talk, but we're searching to solve them ALL, and that's impossible. With decreasing world suck, that's way too vague, focus on a couple causes of world suck and put the quality there to actually make a difference. Community building projects seem a little unnecessary since we have all the other discussions and debates and other community building stuff. We need to have a narrower direction, so that we can actually put more concentration onto something, rather nothing onto everything. But Bree has a very good point with the speed in which it will happen. We have to be realistic with just how quick we can do this. It will take at least a year or two to begin doing something. Money is also an issue that won't be solved anytime soon, but it is not that much of an issue simply because with an awesome idea come interested people with money.
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 18, 2010 12:33:52 GMT -5
wow...where have you been this past week...
there will be a thread made soon that should accomplish what you mean, wait a day or two.
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Post by NormanTheOne on Jul 18, 2010 12:35:29 GMT -5
What did I miss?
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 18, 2010 12:37:47 GMT -5
um...basically it became apparent that we are not the community we thought we were, and therefore community building projects are both extremely necessary and very beneficial.
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Post by NormanTheOne on Jul 18, 2010 12:39:47 GMT -5
Oh.
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Post by prettypenguin on Jul 18, 2010 16:38:51 GMT -5
*rolls into thread* Be chicks, stop publicly bickering at people and keep it all in tell the time is right. Gawd. *rolls out*
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Post by Ricky on Jul 19, 2010 0:34:01 GMT -5
Well there is only one thing I believe I have to say on this thread! and its very important... happy birthday prettypenguin! ;D
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Post by James McClelland on Jul 19, 2010 17:08:53 GMT -5
We don't need a noble cause. There is no noble cause, it doesn't exist. The mentality of having a noble allows us to bring the tribe together...but I guess we're realizing that there is no noble cause, and the forum is going into disarray.
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Post by ElfLady on Jul 19, 2010 17:39:19 GMT -5
/me reads skims the thread
Yup, I agree with JD. Disarray yursh indeed.
/me pretends she has some idea of what is going on.
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 19, 2010 17:39:32 GMT -5
lol i honestly don't know where you get THAT from...
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