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Post by krzych32 on Jul 19, 2010 20:02:38 GMT -5
knowing what our noble cause is should be natural to us, we should not look for it. I think that our noble cause is what we keep trying to do all this time (and fail), "to change the world".
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potterrelatedname
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Post by potterrelatedname on Jul 21, 2010 19:52:18 GMT -5
there are also many of us who are here because we want to make a difference in the world and for whatever reason, this place seemed like it would enable us to do so. And now, looking back at all of the time we’ve been here, and realizing that nothing has been achieved, we’re disappointed. Some of us aren’t even sure whether or not we want to stay here any longer because of how disappointed we are in this community. The way I see it, Dan inspired people, making them think it was possible to "change the world". I'm not saying we can't change the world, but it seems to me that so many of us misinterpreted that, believing that the pogotribe could and would make a HUGE difference, and so something on a par to like, eliminating world poverty or something like that. With Dan 3.0 turning out to not be as huge as some people expected, and not a lot happening in terms of making a huge change in the world, we've realised that there is no way we can make a huge difference like that, so people are disappointed. I don't think we can "change the world" in some massive way. I think we can change the world just a little bit. If I give coffee to a homeless person, I've changed the world. Obviously, not in the sense that many of us have believed possible, but the world is ever so slightly better because that homeless person is a little happier. Maybe, if we could think about changing the world in that sense rather than changing the world in a much greater sense, we wouldn't be so disappointed. I can see that me giving coffee to a homeless person doesn't require SPotM, but maybe SPotM could just be a place for like-minded people, who want to help make the world better, to share ideas and work together? At some point in the future, we might be capable of making a huge change. But at the moment we're not, so isn't doing what we can in the mean time enough? EDIT: Also, you mention people who just joined for fun, and aren't doing a whole lot to "change the world". IMO, there's nothing wrong with having those people here. They may still contribute to the community, and they're certainly not detrimental to it, so, uh... are they really a problem?
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Sorcha
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Post by Sorcha on Aug 4, 2010 0:42:06 GMT -5
Not going to name any names, but a lot of people in this thread and around SPotM in general seem to want to 'change the world', but are very passive about it. They take the position that we can change the world ... but not yet, and then they just sit and wait to be capable of it.
This is fundamentally ridiculous. We are not a mountain. We're not going to grow by doing absolutely nothing, simply because the crust of the earth shifts in a way that is beneficial to us. Nor are we a plant. We can't just wait for someone else to water us, and then grow. We are a tribe. We have to completely take our growth into our own hands.
What I'm saying is, no, we aren't going to be able to do something OMG HUGE WORLD-CHANGING right away. That's just a fact: we aren't big enough yet. But we can start doing something.
A lot of people also say that we need to start small. But the trouble is, few people ever say what it is that we need to start small with, and hence it just leads to more stagnation. What we need is something that starts people starting small.
I think perhaps the triads were intended, at least in part, to do this. But I agree with everything Chelsea said about them. They simply don't work. Three people, however, is the perfect brainstorming/decision making team: it's the smallest possible group you can have while still having a tiebreaker. So it's not the idea of the triads that's bad, it's the way they're run.
First of all, Chelsea is right that Unofficial Triads are what we need. This way, people could just up and start them, without auditions or deadlines (unless self-set), or any of that useless and stressful officializing jewelry.
Second, the fact that the triads are self-contained within the tribe means that they don't help us to grow out. With unofficial triads, it would be possible for someone to just grab two other people they know already, online or offline, and go "hey, want to help me with this thing on the internet?" That would bring in new people, and possibly mean more people would start Unofficial Triads, as they wouldn't have to do so with two complete or semi-complete strangers.
Thirdly, I think that the triads just need to be a sort of leader, or beginner, to projects. Yes, three people are amazing for brainstorming. But more people are frequently needed to actually get something going. Trying to make any difference with only three people just seems ridiculous to me, but getting many different groups of three to come up with ideas and then get others involve seems brilliant.
So, basically, Unofficial Triads. Let's start 'em. I want to, but I'm quite new around here, so I'm not sure how, aside from saying "we should do this." Suggestions? Anyone willing to start some sort of Unofficial Triad Starting Brain-Meet Department Thread, for people to meet others who they'd like to start a triad with? Or should we all just start grabbing two friends and going in head-first?
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koakako
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Post by koakako on Aug 9, 2010 14:24:52 GMT -5
I just arrived here, so I'll refrain from any political comments - except to say that people are people and will behave as such. That's just expected. Also, I only read the first and sixth pages of this thread. So I can't comment on most of what has been said. Instead, I'll offer an opinion then show an example. My opinion is that impatience will only waste time and energy. Yes you can change the world. No you won't do it before the end of the year. It also depends on the goal, and the size of that goal, which I allude to in this example: Myself and 3 other people agreed to a goal of establishing and hosting a convention here in Huntsville, AL. Our date was already set at 6 months from that time, so we set to work. In the space of six months we gauged the size of convention we were capable of, we recruited 15 more people to help out as Staff, and we accomplished each task along the way to achieve the overall goal. One step at time, we hosted a convention of 103 people 6 months later. Everyone had a good time, even though it was a pretty small setup. I was Chair of this convention for the past 7 years, and in 2010 we had our 8th year under a new Chair. In this time we've grown to an attendance of about 400 people, with a Staff of about 40. We've successfully become an IRS listed 501(c)7 tax-exempt organization, formed a Board of Directors (with associated by-laws), and this year we dealt with over $45,000 moving in and out of the convention's hands (between registration, retail sales and charity donations/sales). We've moved from 3 rooms in a small hotel to 15, mostly large, rooms in a brand new Embassy Suites hotel that's massively huge and beautiful. My point is that it's taken 8 1/2 years for us to make the convention what it is today. That first year took us six months to get started, and it was pitifully small. We have become internationally known and legitimized in personal, governmental and convention circles. We're still not very large, but we grow every year. It's patience, and work, and communication that got us where we are. It also took a clearly defined goal, which was mercifully simple. "Start a Convention." Everything else was fluid within that goal. Once we started walking down that path, everything else was figured out along the way. So do you have a goal? Do you have some idea of a timeline? Do you feel confident that others would pitch in and help? Do you have the patience to continually move one step forward at a time to accomplish something useful? You can create a cause, you just need to start with the first step. (Also, I don't believe it can be called "Noble" until after you've accomplished what you set out to do. Until then, it's simply "a cause".) Good to meet you, by the way. KO
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Post by bombmaniac on Aug 9, 2010 16:09:25 GMT -5
olook its a black guy
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Post by iloveoscar on Aug 9, 2010 16:19:33 GMT -5
excuse me. rude
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Post by bombmaniac on Aug 9, 2010 23:19:08 GMT -5
why is that rude? i am simply stating the obvious...
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Post by _nderscore on Aug 9, 2010 23:45:58 GMT -5
why is that rude? i am simply stating the obvious... I agree with bombmaniac on this one.
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Post by bombmaniac on Aug 10, 2010 1:50:52 GMT -5
i would like to take this opportunity to apologize for any rudeness on my part.
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Post by Raydawn on Aug 10, 2010 10:20:32 GMT -5
i would like to take this opportunity to apologize for any rudeness on my part. ~lol
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Post by NormanTheOne on Aug 10, 2010 13:33:31 GMT -5
Bomb, that was pretty rude.
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Post by bombmaniac on Aug 10, 2010 13:40:38 GMT -5
fuck you
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Post by NormanTheOne on Aug 10, 2010 13:44:26 GMT -5
Go fuck yourself you hater.
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Post by bombmaniac on Aug 10, 2010 14:24:40 GMT -5
done...
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koakako
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Post by koakako on Aug 12, 2010 7:01:50 GMT -5
Whether or not it was rude, it was certainly pointless.
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Post by olatnip on Aug 14, 2010 16:03:31 GMT -5
why is the tribe broken?
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Post by bombmaniac on Aug 15, 2010 3:20:23 GMT -5
this thread was made a while ago...
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koakako
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Post by koakako on Aug 19, 2010 10:10:50 GMT -5
this thread was made a while ago... Yeah, I think I unintentionally bumped it up the list by writing that long reply above. But that's okay, I think, since it still seems to be an issue worth discussing. I guess the real message here is that PogoTribe members need to stop waiting and start doing. It doesn't have to be a huge goal, just pick a goal (even if it's a small one) and start doing things to make it happen. There are examples of how to do that all around us, every day. The opinions expressed here are my own. Your mileage may vary...
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Post by theeverbored on Aug 20, 2010 3:41:36 GMT -5
It's defiantly something worth remembering...that is, back when this thread was created and a lot of other interesting stuff happened. I think the tribe learned a lot about where we are and what we're made of.
It's also a reminder for me to get to work!
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Post by Ricky on Aug 22, 2010 22:44:27 GMT -5
could we maybe stop posting on this thread... seriously, its sort of meaningless now
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