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Post by jmejia1187 on Jul 12, 2010 21:13:19 GMT -5
Good idea.
But I like what you said about stating our Noble Cause. Something like helping to clean the gulf of Mexico. I think helping animals from DEATH BY HUMAN HANDS is important.
Or perhaps equipping homes to use solar energy! Or Wind Energy. Anything that would ease us off the use of fossil fuels.
If we STATE what the goal is, then we can go ahead and try to raise money to ACHIEVE the goal. This is similar to what I wrote in Chelsea's thread about a similar topic.
I think once we state the goal the only problem would be the money to achieve it!
Another interesting thing we could consider is donating something other than money for our goal. For example, I have many books I read, that I am done reading. Some have marks in it that I made (I like to underline quotes, and put sticky notes to mark pages). I am sure the pogotribe has many books they are not currently reading, that they own too. What if we get people to donate BOOKS to poor kids... Like give our books to the Uncultured project for their school!
That would also be something cool. Although we would have to trust everyone to pay their own shipping and handling, which might be a lot of money...
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Jul 12, 2010 21:16:24 GMT -5
Post by Johncoyne on Jul 12, 2010 21:16:24 GMT -5
Maybe what I'm getting at here is that I want projects to be bigger. I dunno. I'm gonna sleep on this. Expect more tomorrow.
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Post by Breepop on Jul 12, 2010 21:27:25 GMT -5
Good idea. But I like what you said about stating our Noble Cause. Something like helping to clean the gulf of Mexico. I think helping animals from DEATH BY HUMAN HANDS is important. Or perhaps equipping homes to use solar energy! Or Wind Energy. Anything that would ease us off the use of fossil fuels. If we STATE what the goal is, then we can go ahead and try to raise money to ACHIEVE the goal. This is similar to what I wrote in Chelsea's thread about a similar topic. I think once we state the goal the only problem would be the money to achieve it! Another interesting thing we could consider is donating something other than money for our goal. For example, I have many books I read, that I am done reading. Some have marks in it that I made (I like to underline quotes, and put sticky notes to mark pages). I am sure the pogotribe has many books they are not currently reading, that they own too. What if we get people to donate BOOKS to poor kids... Like give our books to the Uncultured project for their school! That would also be something cool. Although we would have to trust everyone to pay their own shipping and handling, which might be a lot of money... I don't think you get what a Noble Cause is. I'm not sure many people do. Including myself. But I do know that the Noble Cause will neither help nor hurt our chances of being successful for anything.
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Jul 12, 2010 21:33:06 GMT -5
Post by jmejia1187 on Jul 12, 2010 21:33:06 GMT -5
That is interesting Bree. I still think we need something we need to work towards. Something bigger than ourselves.
And something measureable, like: Let us equip 10 % of U.S. homes with Solar Panels.
This way we can measure our success, and work towards something. We can tell people "Look, this is what we do!" and they may donate to our cause. We can strike deals with Solar energy companies (there are many in New Mexico), and have people apply to get their homes equipped with this technology.
I think we can do it. Whether it is a Noble Cause or not (to get off our dependence of fossil fuels) is not as important as the idea the the pogotribe needs direction (in my opinion) towards a project bigger than ourselves, with the potential to end world suck
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Post by zAkAtAk on Jul 12, 2010 21:33:42 GMT -5
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Jul 12, 2010 21:35:32 GMT -5
Post by Breepop on Jul 12, 2010 21:35:32 GMT -5
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Jul 12, 2010 21:47:33 GMT -5
Post by chelseeyuh on Jul 12, 2010 21:47:33 GMT -5
I agree with everything Franny said. Oh, and John, idk if this was mentioned yet, but for #3, it's been done. Ricky's triad's project (sorry I refer to it as "Ricky's." I just remember that I was his mentor and he was the one asking me questions and stuff) made a skills database. It's on the wiki. I think it could be very helpful for future projects.
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Jul 13, 2010 7:01:47 GMT -5
Post by Johncoyne on Jul 13, 2010 7:01:47 GMT -5
The whole bottom part was to make me not be a hypocrite. See points 3+4. I said that more stuff should get done so I started to try to get something done. So, the whole plan thing is just saying "Hey, I said that we shouldn't just sit on our asses and talk about crap so I think we should do this," I didn't put much thought into that. Chelsea- this stuff.
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Jul 13, 2010 9:58:01 GMT -5
Post by Linus on Jul 13, 2010 9:58:01 GMT -5
I made a similar thread back in May bringing up a similar thing. The final result of the thread wasn't really what I was aiming for but maybe the topic, at least, could be relevant now that you're suggesting something similar. It is, though, focused on somewhat different steps, mainly because I thought back then (and still think) that the Pogotribe isn't ready for deciding on a Noble Cause. But my steps were merely suggestions and I think it (the thread) is relevant for this discussion.
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Post by Yokailo on Jul 14, 2010 3:01:48 GMT -5
That is interesting Bree. I still think we need something we need to work towards. Something bigger than ourselves. And something measureable, like: Let us equip 10 % of U.S. homes with Solar Panels. This way we can measure our success, and work towards something. We can tell people "Look, this is what we do!" and they may donate to our cause. We can strike deals with Solar energy companies (there are many in New Mexico), and have people apply to get their homes equipped with this technology. I don't think a Noble Cause has to be measurable... Am I right? And I don't think we should put something that specific into our Noble Cause, because that excludes a lot of people who don't really like Solar Panels and as such can not join this Tribe because they don't agree with its ultimate goal. I do like John's plan. It's very straightforward. Stopping the creation of new projects for the time being doesn't mean people can't think about them, and if they're not allowed to post them, they will think about them a little more than they usually would. It has two good sides. 1. Current projects get finished because they get enough attention. 2. Projects that are still in the making will be thought over better because they can't be posted until a certain time.
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Post by potterrelatedname on Jul 21, 2010 20:14:51 GMT -5
I talked about this in another post [http://pogotribe.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=tribes&thread=3305&page=6#73215] just now. John, I think you're suggesting the Pogotribe concentrates on one big project that makes a pretty big impact on the world. In my opinion, the reality of it is that we don't have the power to execute something like that. We have no money. There's not a lot we can do to help clean the gulf of Mexico, or equip 10% of US homes with solar panels.
But we can do small things. Small things like we're already doing, although granted we could do more small things. Of course I can't get into Dan's head, but I think that's more along the lines of what he intended. He wanted a large quantity of Triads each concentrating on their own project. That's a lot of different projects. IMO, this is much more about making little differences where we can than trying to make one big difference, because frankly I don't think we can do that yet.
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Jul 21, 2010 21:56:33 GMT -5
Post by Johncoyne on Jul 21, 2010 21:56:33 GMT -5
If we have no money, we get money. Think Impossibly Big, my friend.
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Post by xxxsepirothxxx on Jul 22, 2010 5:36:08 GMT -5
If we have no money, we get money. Think Impossibly Big, my friend. how do we get money? "think impossibly big" doesn't mean "don't think at all"
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 22, 2010 5:45:12 GMT -5
Yokailo...no it does not have to be measurable...nor does it have to be possible. one of teh examples given for noble cause in tribal leadership is the noble cause for NASCAR which is that everyone should be winners. obviously that is not possible...in such a sport there are always losers (olol redneck) but yeah. it does not have to be measurable, quantifiable, or possible. it is an aspiration. something we would LIKE to accomplish. think about it as trying to travel at the speed of light. once you travel faster than light, as far as i know (jon can correct me, i am probably wrong, and if i am disregard this example lol) it makes no difference how fast youre going...however traveling at the speed of light is impossible. all we can do is get as close as possible. similarly with a noble cause. even if it is impossible to achieve it is something to work toward. something to try and get as close as possible to. if we DO achieve it, then we have no reason to be a tribe anymore, we will have achieved everything we set out to do. think about that for a moment. EVERYTHING. for example, suppose we chose "end worldsuck" as our noble cause...would we really eliminate worldsuck? is that possible? no of course not. if you call down and scrape your kneee THAT is worldsuck. is it possible to prevent scraped knees universally and perpetually? of course not. would "end worldsuck" be a valid noble cause? yes. that right there is a goal. not a noble cause. i'm pointing this out, because some people were having difficulty distinguishing between goals and noble cause. they are not one and the same. i would say more on teh subject but apparently people object to my long posts...so thats all for now...
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Post by Johncoyne on Jul 22, 2010 9:48:34 GMT -5
Asher, marry me?
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 22, 2010 12:54:46 GMT -5
there are so many things wrong with that john...on so many levels...
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Post by xxxsepirothxxx on Jul 23, 2010 4:45:08 GMT -5
yeah jewish people cant be married
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