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Post by Ricky on Jul 16, 2010 0:43:17 GMT -5
so all of our voices together only equal to one admin's vote, and does that mean that when decisions are made we are asked to decide on that vote? not sure i've seen those threads around.
Also, when do you think we can expect the"official" direct answer since as you have said on several posts already we are not sure of how you guys operate and that creates confusion.
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Post by Breepop on Jul 16, 2010 0:56:21 GMT -5
so all of our voices together only equal to one admin's vote, and does that mean that when decisions are made we are asked to decide on that vote? not sure i've seen those threads around. Also, when do you think we can expect the"official" direct answer since as you have said on several posts already we are not sure of how you guys operate and that creates confusion. We don't vote on anything. We just discuss. I'm really confused as to why you're acting like this. It seems like you're just questioning the admins for the sake of questioning us, as well as bringing in harsh words that do not fit the situation at all (such as "dictatorship"). Pull a Glenn Beck much? If you have reason to question us, feel free to let us know that reason and question on. But to me this just seems like you're incredibly misguided (not knowing what a dictatorship is, and despite the EXTREMELY negative connotations surrounding it, still using it to describe The Moon? ) or, again, just questioning us for the sake of questioning us. I don't think we've done anything to lose your trust, and tons to earn it, so... I'm incredibly confused. Not to mention how out of character your posts have been. o.o I JUST explained to you in simple terms how we operate, and if you're so impatient about getting a better idea, for the third time, go read some of our posts.
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 16, 2010 1:00:26 GMT -5
Ricky come on...why now?
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Post by Cortney on Jul 16, 2010 1:00:55 GMT -5
Okily dokily. I can only speak for myself, so don't pretend like what I say is the absolute opinion of all of the admins. kthx.
As far as opinions go, an administrator and a member both have equal rights to propose and idea / state their opinion. The only difference is that it's easier for an admin to be heard. You wanna know how to fix that? Post a thread or IM / PM an admin - you will be heard. Anybody on the forum can voice their opinion, and every opinion will be considered (although the amount of consideration will depend on the number of people promoting it, but even in this case, both a member and an admin are equal to one vote - the color of the name doesn't add weight).
As Bree said, we tend to discuss more than actually vote. But even in discussion, the opinion of both a member and an admin are considered equally.
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Post by Rogers91 on Jul 16, 2010 1:19:44 GMT -5
I also don't think you are mad or crazy :] that is where you are so wrong my dear watson... edit: when dan was in charge. if you guys demanded something to be done was it n done... same with the admins. if enough of us say we want the new system one that was purposed in the state of the tribe thread. would we not be half way to looking forward to the new leader... now of course we are more complex than this example cause we chose to scrap the intire thing.. still... yeah...
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Post by Rogers91 on Jul 16, 2010 1:36:01 GMT -5
uhhh as i stated from the begining we are in charge... we rule the moon.. the admins take orders from us... the only thing they can do is keep us in line and make sure we stay focused.. if they ever broke into a banning rampage (we would hope it wouldnt be every admin so simply the others would fix it) they can't ban us all without loosing the tribe (unless that is the intended goal...) However if we riot and pattition as a tribe any thing the admins do can be changed. they might hold all the power but whats power without someone to hold said power over... Then again other than the few trolls (myself included) and new people (me as well) SPOTM seems to be a group of very level headed indeviduals that wouldn't need to resort to such primal behavior.
so basicly what i and bomb said... even though what bomb said was to counter my earlier statment that as of now we can all just forget ever happened...
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Post by Ricky on Jul 16, 2010 10:24:58 GMT -5
Bree, I know i'm not acting the way I usually act, but its only because I'm trying to be as neutral as I can. Over the pass, lets say few months, there has been drama regarding the Admins. Most of it comes from not fully understanding you guys. All i'm trying to do is get answers so in the future if said situation arises I can say "well, they did say ...." and avoid the problem. That is also why I'm trying to be as specific as possible. So in a way I suppose I am questioning for the sake of questioning, which is why I put this thread on help and not debates since i'm not looking for a fight. As to using derogatory terms, dictatorship is not really one, as it is how other forums operate, and I think I know what it meant as I even pointed it out on your search results. Kind of funny you would accuse me of that actually xD I still trust you, that hasn't really changed. ================================================ Lets pretend i'm practicing for my journalist class, ok? ;D anyways going back to my questions: (I'll address Cortney as her answer was much more complete) Ok, I agree with the way that sounds. I am wondering something though. If how well you guys consider a post depends fully on the amount of people promoting it, but comments saying "I agree with this" are discouraged due to not adding anything to the conversation, how do you guys estimate the number of users who want whatever is being suggested?
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Post by Cortney on Jul 16, 2010 10:30:56 GMT -5
Personally, I only discourage "I agree with this" posts in debates. However, when we're discussing / proposing ideas for the management of the forum or other aspects of our tribe, I have no problem with somebody posting simply to say that they agree, because (like you said) it shows support of the idea.
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Post by Ricky on Jul 16, 2010 10:43:02 GMT -5
Ok, that's, understandable.
Referring to your previous post, when you said:
does this mean that as long as a suggestion has 8 people supporting and no opposition the idea will move forward disregarding the staff's opinion on the subject?
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Post by Ricky on Jul 16, 2010 10:49:20 GMT -5
Rogers91: Sorry I didn't answer sooner. I see what you are saying and to some degree I have the same opinion. I'm just trying to see how it all works.
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Post by Cortney on Jul 16, 2010 11:25:52 GMT -5
Ok, that's, understandable. Referring to your previous post, when you said: does this mean that as long as a suggestion has 8 people supporting and no opposition the idea will move forward disregarding the staff's opinion on the subject? First off, we only have six admins. ;0 Secondly, to answer your question - no. Majority rules applies to most of the decisions on this forum, and 8 members =/= the majority. Admins don't make major decisions on our own (we decide who to add as new administrators, and we do structural / moderation - that's it). If the admin team wants to implement something that affects the tribe as a whole, we aren't going to just DO it if the entire admin teams wants it - we'd ask what you guys think.
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Post by Ricky on Jul 16, 2010 11:35:34 GMT -5
7 admins counting Dan, and I wanted to propose that the users were the majority therefore making it 8 I also meant that those 8 did not have opposition, as other members were indifferent of the decision. Going back to the question. what about when we changed forums? I'm not saying it was a bad decision, I actually liked the change. I'm just saying, that since no one was asked "what would prevent something of the kind from happening again?"
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Post by Cortney on Jul 16, 2010 11:55:58 GMT -5
Pfft DAN'S NOT AN ADMIN. Okay he technically is, but he doesn't count. He's just Dan. Nobody cares what he thinks.
I don't really understand the last sentence there...When we changed forums, it was mostly Dan's idea (you know, that guy who doesn't matter? Yeah, him). That really isn't an example of the admin decision-making.
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Post by Linus on Jul 16, 2010 12:16:05 GMT -5
He's just Dan. Nobody cares what he thinks. Well, what Dan thinks counts as much as what any other (individual) member thinks. I would consider his ideas as much as any one else's, although not necessarily more or less just because he's Dan.
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Post by Cortney on Jul 16, 2010 12:32:05 GMT -5
That was a joke, Linus. XD
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Post by bombmaniac on Jul 16, 2010 12:34:28 GMT -5
srs thread r srs???
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Post by Breepop on Jul 16, 2010 12:42:43 GMT -5
o.o k, Cortney and other admins can continue to answer your questions, but I'm out. In my opinion, you're being way too disrespectful without having a reason. If you really just wanted to know how we operate, why not just ASK? Why make a thread pretending you don't realize the negative connotations associated with "dictatorship," pretending you can't Google what a dictatorship is, and then compare the admins to a dictatorship (which I still find ridiculous... I could understand it coming from a brand new member, maybe, but SPOTM is so obviously not a dictatorship that it's almost laughable fort a veteran member such as yourself to ask)? No offense if you're not, but I feel like you're just playing dumb to get some answers you could get much, much, much easier if you just asked in a courteous and respectful way. Instead, you're playing it off like you're oh-so-innocent, putting words in our mouths, using a snappy and accusatory tone, ignoring half of what I say (e.g. going to read our posts), and asking nitpicky questions when you obviously knew what we meant... Not cool, Ricky. I'm failing to understand why you couldn't just ask, "Hey, could you admins give us a little more insight into how you operate? How do you decide things? How much do you take the opinion of the community into consideration? etc. Just something I've been wondering about. Thanks! " My responses would have been a lot more honest, open, and pleasant. I normally wouldn't do something like this, but considering that we haven't done anything to earn the tone that you addressing us with, I'm making an exception. You should treat the admins with the same respect you'd treat any other member. You're out of line. If you'd like to personally ask me the same questions at another time, I'm down. Until then, I bid this thread farewell.
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Post by Linus on Jul 16, 2010 12:45:06 GMT -5
That was a joke, Linus. XD I kinda guessed that wasn't really what you meant. Still, maybe you should've used a more careful wording Anyway, enough off-topic; is SPOTM a dictatorship? obviously not =P
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Post by Ricky on Jul 16, 2010 13:37:56 GMT -5
@bree:
I had to make a thread because this are the kind of things that must be dealt with out in the open, as I doubt you would prefer to answer same questions that might be made later by different people in PMs.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough before but most of the things i'm bringing up aren't my opinion, but just concerns that might come up from wording of how things are answered.
As to me being disrespectful I think I've been much less rude in my responses than you have. If you read back I haven't made one single comment about yourself in any of the posts, while you on the other hand can't keep from calling me dumb, confused, misguided, laughable, and somehow Glenn Beck, in any chance you get. Now I don't know about yourself, but I find that if you want a respectful conversation you might want to lay off those types of terms...
In me using Dictatorship as an example, as I said before I only meant that Admins has absolute power (past tense) as there is no other term for a govn't of that nature. Well except for a Monarchy but that would be by family and wouldn't work as a comparison.
Now, about your opinion on having people go and "read all the admin's posts", I thought I had answered it, but I suppose I didn't. Wouldn't it be much easier if a thread was made explaining all about the admins than leaving it to the interpretation of every single post you guys have made?
So in conclusion if the only big problem you have with this thread is that I made the comparison of the moon with a dictatorship, why don't we just ignore that and move on?
Lets pretend I never used the word dictatorship, and continue with the conversation we were having.
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Post by Rob on Jul 16, 2010 15:00:59 GMT -5
We discuss every single thing that we actually see or hear regarding the forum.
I'm not sure why people keep thinking weird things like this though. And I don't understand why people are getting mad.
As admins, the only things we really CAN do are those of the typical forum administrator (ban, promote, lock, etc.). Anything else, well... you don't really "need" our "approval" to do. Like, we really have no say in you making projects or starting discussions or starting random, fun threads or doing anything PogoTribe-related off-forum. The only things that are of concern are forum features, really. And in most cases, we like you the feature suggested but we simply just can't add it because we don't know how to code it because ProBoards has ~15% of the features that other forums have available on default. That's why we always ask for the implementation method when you make a suggestion.
The best way to figure out ProBoards stuff is to just go make your own ProBoards forum (they're free) and fiddle around with it.
And, for the record (though before my time as an admin) the whole move to ProBoards was facilitated by the person who pays for the host and to keep it ad-free... Dan Brown. Nobody really had a say in that. Nobody.
But, ok, yeah... I'm not sure if I got at what you folks wanted, but I thought I'd try.
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