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Post by Ricky on Sept 7, 2010 18:11:08 GMT -5
The Dan 3.0 subforum is too overwhelming to be in the project section, as too many thread there are active and don't allow the rest of the project threads to flourish.
The suggestion is that Dan 3.0 is given its own section or moved to another less active one.
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Post by Benyamin on Sept 7, 2010 19:48:54 GMT -5
yes, move it to its own section
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Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Sept 7, 2010 20:18:41 GMT -5
But. What if moving it away from the project section makes the project section even more dead (I mean, when people enter Dan3.0 they have to see it don't they?). Wait, no, now that I think of it, there's that big announcement on the home page with a direct link to Dan3.0 that would stop people from looking at the projects section in order to go to Dan3.0 section.
I'm not sure of how much it affects the projects section, but if it really does affect it in a negative way, then move it to it's own section.
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Post by Breepop on Sept 7, 2010 21:26:10 GMT -5
No. People have to go through the project section to get to Dan 3.0...
I don't even understand how your logic here works. Are you seriously blaming the activeness of another forum on the lack of activity in another? Really? You're stretching tbh, Projects isn't flourishing because people aren't doing projects.
Normally, yes, Dan 3.0 would automatically get its own section, but admins take everything case by case, and in this case, I think we all like the idea of Dan fangirls having to go through the other projects to get to Dan 3.0.
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Post by speedyreedy on Sept 7, 2010 21:34:09 GMT -5
All people have to do to get to the Dan 3.0 section is click the giant banner, or the subsections link on the main page. And if people are going to the Dan 3.0 section anyway, they probably won't stop to check the project section even if they do go via it.
In my opinion all it does to have the Dan 3.0 subforum in the Projects area is block projects from getting linked on the main page, and therefore hinder any projects from getting noticed by the majority of users.
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Post by Ricky on Sept 7, 2010 21:37:49 GMT -5
What Chris said, there are ways to get to the Dan 3.0 section without going to through the projects and every time someone posts on a project another posts on Dan 3.0 two seconds later.
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Post by bombmaniac on Sept 7, 2010 21:52:46 GMT -5
bree, ordinarily your logic may be sound, however i believe time has shown us that you are in fact wrong. your very astute observation that the project section is dead because people aren't initiating new projects is missing one key element. take a look at the timeline, the decline of the project directly coincides with the launch of Dan 3.0. of that there is no doubt. i believe the general idea is that since the dan 3.0 forum is part of the project section, it serves as a distraction. why you ask? because to many people, including those who have in the past been very active in the project section, dan 3.0 is more alluring than most of the half baked projects we have seen so far.
now while it is true that most of the project from this point forth will in all likelihood be half baked as well, are we to deny them the time of day because of that expectation? as ricky pointed out, many people simply click the (latest post" link in the project section, which links to the dan 3.0 subsection as well. seeing as dan 3.0 is a more popular section than the projects section, and therefore gets more new posts than the project section does, the project section is greatly overshadowed by it, and has thus dwindled.
therefore i think it would be a good, and rather reasonable idea to move the dan 3.0 section to it's own section. this would serve two purposes: 1) it would make it more easily accessible to those who are interested in dan 3.0, 2) allow the projects section room to flourish. new posts in the projects will be seen by more people, thus allowing it to flourish.
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Post by Breepop on Sept 7, 2010 22:11:08 GMT -5
All people have to do to get to the Dan 3.0 section is click the giant banner, or the subsections link on the main page. And if people are going to the Dan 3.0 section anyway, they probably won't stop to check the project section even if they do go via it. In my opinion all it does to have the Dan 3.0 subforum in the Projects area is block projects from getting linked on the main page, and therefore hinder any projects from getting noticed by the majority of users. It doesn't matter if there are other ways to get there.  I know for a fact that some users go through Projects to get to Dan 3.0... because I do. People have told me numerous times they don't even look at the top banner thing. Of course that's not the only way people get to Dan 3.0, but that doesn't matter. It's how s ome people get there. bomb blah blah blah bullshit. You know what else the coincides with the Dan 3.0 launch? SUMMER. AND WHAT ELSE? Disappointment... with the project, not with the fact that there's a section for the project. Trying to argue that having a section for Dan 3.0 somehow has made the Project section decline in activity is completely stupid. So stop. If you want to argue that the decline in projects is due to Dan 3.0 itself, gopher it. I agree with you. It's simple. There's no need to complicate this. People go through Projects to get to Dan 3.0, which increases the chances ever so slightly that people will look at project threads before heading to Dan 3.0. And you know what? I don't want Dan 3.0 on the front page, where it will be more active. I don't want this forum even more focused on that project. This is just my opinion though. I think you guys are arguing about something completely different with me. You're complicating it and grasping for straws, trying to blame the lack of activity in Projects on anything and everything you can. btw, thank you all for reminding me why I stopped posting here. |
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Post by Ricky on Sept 7, 2010 22:19:58 GMT -5
Bree you realize that you are the only one pushing against it.
If you don't care either way, then move it, but don't fight everyone else just because you don't like the people who think its the right move.
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Post by bombmaniac on Sept 7, 2010 22:20:37 GMT -5
true, the trough traffic may have a small benefit, however that benefit is overshadowed by the damage done by that subsection. arguments posted above. please stop being petulant, kindly respond in a mature fashion. the childishness in the above post is rather disappointing.
besides, there is a poll. our position is winning. so while your opinion is definitely valued, as of now it is losing.
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Post by speedyreedy on Sept 7, 2010 22:31:41 GMT -5
Of course that's not the only way people get to Dan 3.0, but that doesn't matter. It's how some people get there. All people have to do to get to the Dan 3.0 section is click the giant banner, or the subsections link on the main page. And if people are going to the Dan 3.0 section anyway, they probably won't stop to check the project section even if they do go via it.In my opinion all it does to have the Dan 3.0 subforum in the Projects area is block projects from getting linked on the main page, and therefore hinder any projects from getting noticed by the majority of users. Apparently you didn't read my post. Try again... |
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Post by Breepop on Sept 7, 2010 22:34:43 GMT -5
don't fight everyone else just because you don't like the people who think its the right move. ... lol Get over yourself. |
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Post by bombmaniac on Sept 7, 2010 22:39:18 GMT -5
get back on point.
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Post by speedyreedy on Sept 7, 2010 22:51:15 GMT -5
And if people are going to the Dan 3.0 section anyway, they probably won't stop to check the project section even if they do go via it. Third time's the charm... Nope? Fine, I'll try and make it easier for you. You claim that people go to the Dan 3.0 subsection via the Projects section. This is an increase in traffic, and potentially a boost to the Projects area. Unfortunately, as everyone here is aware, the Projects section has not been boosted, but in fact is in a rapid state of decline. Since it is a section that we as a community should be using most frequently, this is a problem. My claim can be explained using an analogy. Imagine, if you will, a lemonade stand on a freeway. It would be in a prime location to receive tonnes of traffic, but would it succeed? |
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Post by Insane_Zang on Sept 7, 2010 23:29:39 GMT -5
I'm for moving it, but I like suggesting radical ideas. First I must be informed
1.) How active is that section? I'm obviously gonna go check after this, but is it really being used for that much discussion?
2.) Does Dan still check it? Seriously, he hasn't even posted a video in a week, and I doubt he reads through the section unless he makes the thread. Can't he make the conversation somewhere else? He has no part in this forum anymore. That's like, being on a forum for free chat, and it happens to be made by the founder of UNICEF, way before UNICEF started (idk when it did, just an example) and how he puts official discussion about it there, even though he left it. LONG SENTENCES. NO GRAMMAR. WOOO
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Post by Ryan on Sept 7, 2010 23:31:55 GMT -5
I'm not a frequent poster, nor visitor of either the projects, nor the Dan 3.0 sections of the site. I check on debates and keep up with friends here, but I'm too busy with school to spend time on projects or raving over Dan.
But even though I'm not very actively posting on the forums anymore, I have realized that triads, and projects in general have gone in major decline since Dan 3.0. While I realize that there are many possible causes for the decline in activity for projects (such as summer and lack of prominent members promoting and supporting projects), that does not change the fact that Dan 3.0 is not particularly helping out the projects section. If it were, the increased traffic would cause new members or Dan fans to check out those projects which the members who are still interested in projects are posting. Many projects have diminished due to lack of following, as many of the sites new followers are following Dan's big project - Dan 3.0.
So, as Dan is a member of the tribe, and as his project is substantially large and he's exceptionally important to the tribe, and his project fully deserves its own subsection - I do not think that having said subsection in the projects section is useful for the other projects.
I really see no harm in moving Dan 3.0 to its own section on the forum, certainly nothing bad could happen from such a move - so why not indulge those who advocate so strongly for the moving of Dan 3.0 to its own section of the forums in hopes that it will increase the activity in the projects section? If they are wrong - then the only change is a topological change, and if they are right then the SPOTM will have regained a bit of the glory that it has lost as the summer months have wanned on.
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Post by Rob on Sept 8, 2010 7:00:20 GMT -5
The original reason we put Dan 3.0 into a Projects subforum was because back then the only way to get to it was through the Projects section. Sure, Forum Jump was there but it wasn't at the top at the time. Also, we didn't want Dan 3.0 to be the only reason people posted here since we were (and are still) trying to move away from the fan club theme.
Honestly, arguments here have convinced me that our original reasoning doesn't really hold anymore. Sure, people still come here only for Dan 3.0. But, hey, I don't think there's anything we can do about that.
Now, looking at some analytics provided by ProBoards, I see 4 out the top 5 most viewed threads today are in the Dan 3.0 section (the other thread is this thread). That says something. Now, I don't see where it says which sections get the most views on a daily basis or trends for sections, but I bet it's the same.
I don't know how much would change if we moved it up the hierarchy. It'll still be the most viewed/replied section (save Forum Games, perhaps) and people will still only come here to go there. So if a solid majority of folks want it moved, I think it should be moved.
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Post by Sean on Sept 8, 2010 10:58:59 GMT -5
I think it should be moved...
my views are same as others who agree. So no point typing pages and pages...
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Post by Speckley on Sept 8, 2010 16:25:05 GMT -5
Darn it, Rob, you stole the words right out of my mouth!
Really, the only reason we had it as a subforum in the first place is because - at the time it was created - Dan 3.0 hadn't even been announced. I agree that it should be made into its own section.
To be honest, if we want more people to pay attention to the tribe's projects, we will need more people participating in and promoting those projects. It doesn't matter if people "have to" go through the Projects section to get to the Dan 3.0 section (anymore): they'll just skip through it until they get there. If I want to get to the Dan 3.0 section, I don't even click through Projects or go through the link in the banner-announcement: I click the link though the list of Project subforums.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Sept 8, 2010 18:07:12 GMT -5
I'm for moving it, but I like suggesting radical ideas. First I must be informed 1.) How active is that section? I'm obviously gonna go check after this, but is it really being used for that much discussion? 2.) Does Dan still check it? Seriously, he hasn't even posted a video in a week, and I doubt he reads through the section unless he makes the thread. Can't he make the conversation somewhere else? He has no part in this forum anymore. That's like, being on a forum for free chat, and it happens to be made by the founder of UNICEF, way before UNICEF started (idk when it did, just an example) and how he puts official discussion about it there, even though he left it. LONG SENTENCES. NO GRAMMAR. WOOO Can we just... get rid of the Dan 3.0 section? To be honest, it's not Dan's forum (at least anymore). He could move the whole thing to like, southpoleofthemoon.com/dan30 or even a different website. Why do we still need to keep it? One good reason. |
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I know for a fact that some users go through Projects to get to Dan 3.0... because I do. People have told me numerous times they don't even look at the top banner thing.
