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Post by Sean on Sept 28, 2010 16:42:24 GMT -5
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Post by bombmaniac on Sept 28, 2010 18:37:04 GMT -5
i said that a bunch of posts ago...thank you all for paying attention...and ALSO as i said if it were linked like the pogopedia the hassle would be minimized, because for all intents and purposes youre still using the same energy to get to the same place. what this accomplishes though is it sets up a site that people who are interested solely in dan 3.0 will be able to go straight there. those who are here for the full spotm package would just click the link on spotm.
moreover, it would allow more freedom for the people participating in dan 3.0. proboards, to my knowledge, does not allow you to create sub-subforums. dan 3.0 can get rather complicated and require many categories which would be made easier on a separate forum. a win win for both sides.
as for mods and admins...why not carry them over from here?
the new forum would have to be marketed as its own site. when dan gives links, or people give links they would have to give links directly to the dan 3.0 site, not the regular site with directions to click a link there.
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Post by Joey on Sept 28, 2010 18:50:13 GMT -5
i said that a bunch of posts ago...thank you all for paying attention...and ALSO as i said if it were linked like the pogopedia the hassle would be minimized, because for all intents and purposes youre still using the same energy to get to the same place. what this accomplishes though is it sets up a site that people who are interested solely in dan 3.0 will be able to go straight there. those who are here for the full spotm package would just click the link on spotm. moreover, it would allow more freedom for the people participating in dan 3.0. proboards, to my knowledge, does not allow you to create sub-subforums. dan 3.0 can get rather complicated and require many categories which would be made easier on a separate forum. a win win for both sides. as for mods and admins...why not carry them over from here? the new forum would have to be marketed as its own site. when dan gives links, or people give links they would have to give links directly to the dan 3.0 site, not the regular site with directions to click a link there. Completely agree. And if the admins dont want the hassle of administrating to forums, we could just have the mods do it, becoming a part of a the mod job(or the losers of the election could do it there.)
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Post by Breepop on Sept 28, 2010 19:21:31 GMT -5
Can we go back to why it even needs to be moved? I barely see why we're discussing this (except maybe a few just not liking Dan 3.0).
I remember bomb saying something about it... "helping those of us who want to focus on the real world" or something. Well, ok. How? How will Dan 3.0 being gone help SPOTM focus on that? I don't understand.
I do wonder if you guys are just trying to find something, anything to blame this lull on. Dan 3.0 seems to be a common target, but I never hear much solid reason for that. People are just angry at what it turned out to be and how it's not going the way they want it to go so they're blaming unrelated things on it, I guess. I have no idea.
I can't see the cons of it being here, really. So feel free to share them (objectively, if at all possible). I do know it generates traffic, though, which is a big plus.
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Post by TheIslander on Sept 28, 2010 19:21:54 GMT -5
The question in this topic should be rephrased: Should the south pole of the moon get its own forum? Dan 3.0 has resulted in so many changes on this site that the 'original' spotm members are a minority.
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Post by Joey on Sept 28, 2010 19:35:08 GMT -5
Can we go back to why it even needs to be moved? I barely see why we're discussing this (except maybe a few just not liking Dan 3.0). I remember bomb saying something about it... "helping those of us who want to focus on the real world" or something. Well, ok. How? How will Dan 3.0 being gone help SPOTM focus on that? I don't understand. I do wonder if you guys are just trying to find something, anything to blame this lull on. Dan 3.0 seems to be a common target, but I never hear much solid reason for that. People are just angry at what it turned out to be and how it's not going the way they want it to go so they're blaming unrelated things on it, I guess. I have no idea. I can't see the cons of it being here, really. So feel free to share them (objectively, if at all possible). I do know it generates traffic, though, which is a big plus. No, not calling it on Dan 3.0 at all. Its the fault of the members(all members, even admins) not giving enough effort and we let it slide a bit. I did, and so did everyone else. And now: Pros: - generates traffic so more people will see the site
- one account
- has us as the home base, so there is only a single site
Cons: - Brings in unhelpful members and trolls
- creates clutter(wrong section)
- people think we are just a fan club, dont see the site as is
- alot of work is needed in the section organization wise.
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Post by Breepop on Sept 28, 2010 19:55:03 GMT -5
Cons: - Brings in unhelpful members and trolls
- creates clutter(wrong section)
- people think we are just a fan club, dont see the site as is
- alot of work is needed in the section organization wise.
- It does? I haven't really noticed. Especially lately. Unhelpful members have the potential to become helpful members, which is always good. Trolls have been banned/given up, from what I can see. Furthermore, we had "unhelpful members" and trolls before Dan 3.0. It didn't create that problem, the fact that this is an open forum creates that problem. We have to generate traffic somehow, and with traffic comes trolls. This is definitely not a Dan 3.0-exclusive thing.
- ...? What do you mean wrong section?
- People have been thinking we were a fan club since Day 1. Dan 3.0 didn't create that problem, either. We've always proved them wrong and will continue to.
- Hmm... you think so? Any suggestions, then? I can easily organize it without having to make a whole new site.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Sept 28, 2010 20:58:42 GMT -5
Do we always need a reason to do things? Also, Islander, it's been brought up many times. It's like you're sitting on the couch, and a more comfortable chair is empty right across the room, but you're too lazy to get up. And if you're eating a bag of chips, then you have to carry that too. /American
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Post by Breepop on Sept 28, 2010 22:38:49 GMT -5
Do we always need a reason to do things? o.o When something seems to be more trouble than it's worth (and may in fact be depriving us of something essential), yes, we need a reason. Silly Zang.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Sept 28, 2010 22:42:20 GMT -5
Something essential? Are you referring to traffic?
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Post by Breepop on Sept 28, 2010 22:44:06 GMT -5
ya
That's an opinion, though. Hence the "may"... it being essential is up for debate, but it's not really something that we need to debate (mostly because I can already see it being a giant circle). Lets just leave it at being an opinion.
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Post by bombmaniac on Sept 28, 2010 22:48:22 GMT -5
no bree, its not dan 3.0 exclusive. the point is that those of us who are voting in favor of this proposal would like to be taken seriously. we would like this forum to be a place where people know what our goals are, and what we would like to accomplish. real world projects being one of those goals. as it is we are being undermined by the fanboy aspect of this site due in large part to dan 3.0.
i say in large part because you are right, this site was to a certain extent a fan site before dan 3.0 started. however, dan 3.0 has since exacerbated the problem. we did not have the number of members, or the rate of increase before dan 3.0 that we do now. this is due entirely to dan 3.0. however, before we were only focused on (pardon my use of this word) "worldsuck", or as you were bree, focused on building this community up into a unified force and then focusing on "worldsuck"
dan 3.0 changed that. true there are people trying to push tasks that will indeed impact the real world in a meaningful way, but for the most part the tasks are shallow and ultimately meaningless. that's fine, there is nothing wrong with shallow, purposeless, meaningless fun. however, those of us who vote yes in this poll feel that this forum should return to what it originally was. we would like this community to be united under the banner of community and world improvement. we would like for people to see this site and know that they are committing themselves to those ideals. not some fanboy game where you get to make a marionette out of a youtuber.
now you are perfectly entitled to call me an extreme wacko trying to force people to do his will, and someone trying to move forward faster than is possible for this community, and that's ok. vote no on this proposition. so people...the decision is yours.
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Post by Breepop on Sept 28, 2010 23:10:26 GMT -5
How does Dan 3.0 prevent us from being "united under the banner of community and world improvement"? I don't think it does. In fact, I think it helps us. I don't see why you want to go back to how we were before Dan 3.0. We weren't all that great, tbqmfh. Admittedly, there has been a decrease in awesomeness, and I know you personally believe Dan 3.0 is the "entire" cause of that... but I don't (and I think you're foolish to believe that Dan 3.0 is alone in the blame). Do I believe it's a contributing factor? Yes. Of course. But I also believe many, many other factors contributed to this "downfall." Some of the main ones being summer, the start of school, fail community (read: drama), boredom, and just general annoyance with the lack of things SPOTM has accomplished. Anyway, who's to say, in the future (and present), Dan 3.0 won't be a contributing factor in the rise of SPOTM? I think there's a good chance it will be, and it'd be a shame for us to miss that benefit because we were trying to hard to push Dan away. What? How? Give me an example, or explain in depth how this is happening. Again, show me how you come to this conclusion. As far as I can see, we're just as focused as we ever were... we just have less people and resources at our disposal. Not because anyone turned into frantic, screaming Dan Brown fans and decided to only post in the Dan 3.0 section, but because they wanted to leave. So they did.
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Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Sept 29, 2010 0:03:38 GMT -5
Well, Dan 3.0 did disappoint some people, and did make a negative first impact, specially to people that thought this was already a driftless forum, to which Dan3.0 was kind of a last hope which turned out not to be what they expected, people started leaving, not caring and blah. But that was the first impact, and we should just get over that and try to make something positive out of Dan3.0 (maybe try to turn more Dan3.0ers into SPOTMers, or what I tried to do with the freerice thing, which is use Dan3.0 to try to get a project more attention), I don't think it's all that distracting, nor that the 'fanboy' aspect is that much of a problem, not that it is not problematic, but we should be able to handle that problem... Then again, I'm not that old of a member, so I might not be seeing the whole picture.
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Post by bombmaniac on Sept 29, 2010 0:15:16 GMT -5
bree, i do not believe that dan 3.0 was the ONLY cause as i said in my post above.
as for how the fanboy aspect is killing us?take the project section as an example. it was way more active before dan 3.0. now that dan 3.0 was taken out of the project section and given its own section the project section has become slightly more active. we would like that positive change to extend to the rest of the forum.
as for your last paragraph...get the blinders off your eyes please. it's simple cause and effect.
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Post by Sean on Sept 29, 2010 10:01:53 GMT -5
@bree : Dan 3.0 did cause a problem in the projects section (covering up real projects other than discussions)
But now #projectphoenix has fixed it... I see no problem
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Post by Breepop on Sept 29, 2010 10:08:21 GMT -5
@bree : Dan 3.0 did cause a problem in the projects section (covering up real projects other than discussions) But now #projectphoenix has fixed it... I see no problem That was less Dan 3.0's fault, and more ProBoards/the admins' fault. Dan 3.0 itself did absolutely nothing to cover up other projects. Any active board being there would have caused the same problem. ProBoards and it's stupid freaking features covered up other projects. And apparently, none of the admins had this feature turned on and didn't recognize that that was happening. k so stop blaming Dan 3.0 for all your problems thx
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Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Sept 29, 2010 10:08:35 GMT -5
Maybe the projects section started dying because of Dan3.0 (Edit: or because of the ProBoards/admins, whatever ...) but I think the projects section, with or without moving Dan3.0, still would have become slightly more active. It isn't active because the Dan3.0 section was moved, it is more active because members of the pogotribe realised it was dying and wanted to do something about it.
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Post by bombmaniac on Sept 29, 2010 10:56:38 GMT -5
dan 3.0 simply serves as a distraction. we would like to go back to a SPOTM focused on real issues (or at least trying to focus on real issues) rather than remaining a SPOTM that simply serves a cause for revision 3 and dan's youtube channel partnership. true dan 3.0 can be used for real world change, but it has not yet been used in such a manner.
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Post by Breepop on Sept 29, 2010 11:19:24 GMT -5
Then stop letting it distract you? o.o Just don't visit that forum if you don't like it. Others do.
It doesn't distract me. Never has.
And like I said before, just because Dan 3.0 hasn't [directly] helped SPOTM yet doesn't mean it won't in the future. That's one of its pros.
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