Flappy
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Post by Flappy on Dec 26, 2010 12:36:35 GMT -5
Ryan, I appreciate your stance, but the debate is about whether or not they're born gay. So naturally, since that's the topic, it will become the biggest deal.
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Post by krzych32 on Dec 26, 2010 12:46:12 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scaleAlso - why does it matter if people are born gay or straight? if they are are you going to try to change it? if their not, does it matter why they are gay or straight? Why is such a debate made into such a big deal? Instead of focusing on the how, we should instead focus on something more useful like promoting awareness and acceptance. awareness and acceptance of a topic we are not going to understand?
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Post by SwimFellow on Dec 26, 2010 16:42:24 GMT -5
True. Unless you read articles about the subject. And know about it. The thing about the internet is, all of that is free.
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Post by Ryan on Dec 27, 2010 2:04:09 GMT -5
Well, in that case.
People are not born gay. It is impossible to deterimine at the moment of a child's birth, despite any advancement in technology, whether or not that person will grow up to have homosexual preferences. The reason behind this, is because environmental factors in development, and chemical processing within the brain itself, determine the hormones that affect sexuality.
So, no people are not born gay.
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Post by Lex on Dec 27, 2010 11:58:49 GMT -5
Yeah. I doubt people are born gay. I think they can be born with genetic predispositions to have homosexual feelings, but it's not a trait that can be obviously pointed out like skin colour. Hormonal influence, environmental factors, etc can have an effect on the development of the person's brain -- therefore, it is not a choice either.
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Post by SwimFellow on Dec 27, 2010 14:13:21 GMT -5
We can all agree it isn't a choice. It's harder to know whether people are born gay. Most scientists say a mix of genetic and environmental.
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Post by Ryan on Dec 27, 2010 21:38:02 GMT -5
Unless it is 100% genetic one can not be born gay - period.
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Post by Joey on Dec 29, 2010 20:03:40 GMT -5
Unless it is 100% genetic one can not be born gay - period. Yes. But thats not something for Religious to go off on, becasue you're not born straight either.
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Post by Ryan on Dec 29, 2010 21:49:13 GMT -5
true - you're not born with any sexual disposition, as sexual disposition is chemical and not genetic.
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Post by Quinn on Dec 30, 2010 18:19:29 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure... but I think the sexuality is genetic. I am heterosexual, and I do not choose to be... I just am. There probably is evidence leaning on both sides of the argument, but that's just what I think.
I think the trait in which sexuality is expressed is code by many,many alleles... thus producing a wide variety of phenotypes.
(SIDENOTE: There was a hilarious episode of Family Guy about this...)
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Post by Flags_Forever on Dec 30, 2010 19:06:20 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure... but I think the sexuality is genetic. I am heterosexual, and I do not choose to be... I just am. There probably is evidence leaning on both sides of the argument, but that's just what I think. I think the trait in which sexuality is expressed is code by many,many alleles... thus producing a wide variety of phenotypes. (SIDENOTE: There was a hilarious episode of Family Guy about this...) I would agree with that, for the most part. At the very least, we can prove this is true in fruit flies. We possess far more complex nervous systems, however, so it's reasonable to assume there are psychological and environmental factors involved as well. So, I guess I have to agree with Ryan- it's not a choice, but it's certainly not predetermined at birth. If I had to guess, I'd say it's about 60% genetic and 40% environmental.
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Post by Ryan on Dec 30, 2010 20:44:43 GMT -5
Like I said earlier - unless it's 100% genetic, you can't be born that way. Yes, the hormones that are produced are affected by both genes and environment, so it's not a choice, and genes play a factor - but it's not a defining trait
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Post by Flags_Forever on Dec 30, 2010 22:14:29 GMT -5
Like I said earlier - unless it's 100% genetic, you can't be born that way. Isn't that what I said?
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Post by Ryan on Dec 30, 2010 22:17:21 GMT -5
Kinda - not quite, probably semantics in wording. (I'm a meaning nazi - I read what you write for the semantics)
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Post by Flags_Forever on Dec 30, 2010 22:41:02 GMT -5
I'll try to word things more clearly from now on, then.
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Post by Lex on Dec 31, 2010 13:07:30 GMT -5
If it was the hormones in the womb that affected development and made someone gay, that would mean they were technically born that way, would it not?
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Post by Flags_Forever on Dec 31, 2010 16:56:07 GMT -5
I suppose it would, but there is a great deal of evidence to suggest very young children do not yet have sexual orientations.
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Post by Ryan on Dec 31, 2010 20:30:52 GMT -5
If it was the hormones in the womb that affected development and made someone gay, that would mean they were technically born that way, would it not? This cannot happen as sexual preference isn't determined until the hormones created by the pituitary gland start being created. This does not happen until puberty, and many environmental factors play a role in the development of the brain post-birth.
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Post by TheIslander on Jan 5, 2011 17:00:27 GMT -5
Freud has interesting views on this. It would be useless for me to echo his views so go look him up.
I also had a lengthy intense debate about this in this section a few months ago, I think the topic would be worth looking for.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Jan 5, 2011 17:40:37 GMT -5
It's not a choice. Think about it, with all the crap gay people go through regularly, why wouldn't everyone choose to be straight? Just sayin. Think about what an alcoholic goes through. Look at what a drug addict goes through. They have a choice, as do gays. *waits for flame*
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