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Post by maxximus on May 21, 2011 10:29:28 GMT -5
So... Don't say gay has just been passed. I think this is a step in the wrong direction for the USA. This will probably encourage bullying and a rise in the gay teen suicide rate. Without proper education on the matter many children from strict religious or conservative backgrounds will still regard it as a choice or as immoral, leading to a wave of homophobia. As a gay teen myself, I know what this can be like. People are very misguided on causes of homosexuality and in my school it is not taught in PSHE (personal, social and health education) until the age of 15. By this stage I had discovered my sexuality and many people were firm in the belief that i had "chosen the wrong lifestyle" and therefore deserved to be punished. Discuss
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Post by mashuga31 on May 21, 2011 12:05:51 GMT -5
I think its a choice. Reason: Two identical twins (cell divided into two babies). Later on in life, ones gay ones not. Simply put. As for it being an immoral choice I really dont care lol. I've actually depended on gay guys a couple of times to help me get ready for dates. Its like a bro whos a chick whos a bro. This bill needs to be lit on fire and shoved up the asses of those who signed it. Congress is full of immoral homophobic pricks. And simply ignoring the "problem" as they would call it, wont simply make it go away. If they really want to get rid of gays theyd run pro straight campaigns. Not silence gays altogether. Theyre just going about it the absolute wrong way, and are looking at it much like how hitler looked at the jews. Fortunately for us, america wouldn't let it go that far. And if they make it illegal to be gay, well idk how id feel about that. Im fairly sure its illegal to have relations with an alien species (even if its humanoid and has intelligence). So it wouldnt be irrational to assume their point is the only lover you can have is a human female. Personally I'd perfer a furry. But we cant all be pleased. Enjoy your man-time with other men and dont let people tell you to stop. Theyre all faggots anyway . (SeewhatIdidthar?? )
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Post by maxximus on May 21, 2011 13:32:46 GMT -5
I don't understand how you can think it is a choice. There are mutations in genetics of identical twins and environmental factors. It is not a choice. I did not choose to be this way. It is quite ignorant of you to assume it so. Homosexual acts are a choice, based on attractions that are as natural and unchangable as the colour of your skin. Are you attracted to anthropomorphic animals then?
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Post by Lyserg Zeroz on May 21, 2011 14:39:49 GMT -5
=/. Sorry for the people who have to deal with this thing. It seems to me like a silly and too extreme bill. And I don't think being homosexual is a choice, is just enough to ask homosexual people, like Dan did in the " Don't say gay (part two)", just look at the comments and try to search for anyone who claims that being gay is a choice (have in mind Dan asked homosexual people to respond the question), and even if you do find someone who argues it is a choice, you'll find that they argue more for acting upon homosexual feelings, not on being homosexual (or at least that's what I found with a quick ctrl-f on "choice").
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Post by Insane_Zang on May 21, 2011 17:44:08 GMT -5
I'm just gonna sit over here in the unpopular opinion corner
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Post by Ryan on May 21, 2011 22:16:28 GMT -5
Zang - even though you think being gay is a sin - your opinions towards gay people in the past have been at least kind (maybe not supportive - but you don't care whether or not they sin, you are still kind to them). The "Don't say Gay" bill will just remove the ability for confused teens and pre-teens to discuss and talk about their sexuality with the people who are currently in the best position to assist these young people. The bill is designed in such a way that it can't help anyone - only hurt them. So even though Zang you believe that being gay is a sinful choice - wouldn't someone like you be opposed to this bill?
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Post by Insane_Zang on May 21, 2011 22:36:49 GMT -5
waitwaitwait calm your tits man
Let me start by saying I do not think being gay is morally right, not just religiously (mostly as my morals come from my religion). Yes, if this bill isn't passed, it gives new-found homosexuals the chance to talk to someone about this. The thing is though, teachers won't give the right answer. Now I'm not saying the right answer should be "You're gay and that's bad get out faggot". The right answer should be "You have gay feelings and that's normally for a developing teen but you have to get passed them because it is not morally ok". I'm pretty damn sure a teacher isn't going to say that. So, in my opinion, it is better for a child to ask his parents, not a teacher (albeit the parent might not give the best answer ever but it's better)
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Post by Lex on May 21, 2011 23:24:26 GMT -5
I think its a choice. Reason: Two identical twins (cell divided into two babies). Later on in life, ones gay ones not. Simply put. Doesn't mean that it's not a choice. Even if you think gay people aren't born gay, it =/= being a choice. Now with that said, Don't Say Gay is utterly moronic, and the fact that it got passed is proof that there is an overwhelming majority of fucktards in Tennessee.
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Post by Ryan on May 21, 2011 23:50:36 GMT -5
Zang - what about the straight people who are having the normal feelings. A counselor - not a parent should be telling them that it's normal. Someone who is trained - not someone who is stupid (and let's face it - most parents are indeed stupid). It's just a phase, and that they should hold on through it. Even if you do believe it's a choice - a counselor will NEVER tell you what choice you should make (if they do they are not a good counselor), rather give you the options and the knowledge to understand the choice. This bill will only lead to the confusion of many of those who might make the morally right choice. Confused teens who are not guided in the right decisions by trained counselors will often make morally questionable decisions. Some may lead to suicide - which is far more morally wrong than homosexuality. Would you let these teens and pre-teens wander into such confusion?
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Post by Insane_Zang on May 21, 2011 23:52:56 GMT -5
People actually talk to counselors at schools about personal stuff?
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Post by Ryan on May 21, 2011 23:54:03 GMT -5
The people who are actually confused and don't trust their parents do. My friend would have committed suicide had it not been for our counselor.
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Post by Quinn on May 22, 2011 1:28:06 GMT -5
This is bad... lives will be lost. *tear*
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Post by Nancy R. on May 22, 2011 1:41:42 GMT -5
Ok, I just woke up, so I cannot really read, but I saw something that says that being gay is a choice and that from twins, one can choose to be gay and the other one not. How many times did I say that it's not a choice? I didn't just wake up one day and say "Oh, I am gay now." I made a better research since my last post about that matter. As for twins, especially the identical ones, if one of them is gay, there's 50% of chance that the other one will be gay too. The end, moving on.
I've heard of that law, I am generally researching the laws and stuff of the US, Canada and Australia, with Canada being the ideal, Australia being close to ideal and the US being in the SHIRT, always talking about approval of homosexuality. I think that the law isn't only stupid, but it is a form of bullying. Like they didn't have enough already. I remember when I was a teenager at a small community and had found only a while ago that I am a lesbian and I kind of came out (by mistake). It cost me my sanity and also my physical health. You can't imagine what kind of SHIRT I faced. I knew that I had nobody to turn to and talk. I was repressed and yes, I even tried to commit suicide. No, not think, try! I tried it. Why does everyone else have to face that? I don't want them to be fair on me with that. I don't want everyone else to face the same problem. The counselors, the teachers and everyone should have the right to talk about whatever they like. This is like taking away the freedom of speech. Would anyone like it? No.
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Post by newschooled on May 22, 2011 7:57:53 GMT -5
This is retarded. How many other real facts of life will we be forced to ignore because it makes biggots nervous?
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Post by Chelsea on May 22, 2011 8:54:27 GMT -5
I think its a choice. Reason: Two identical twins (cell divided into two babies). Later on in life, ones gay ones not. Simply put. So, when identical twins look different enough that you can tell them apart (which is usually the case), then they CHOSE to have a rounder face, a birthmark, etc., that makes the difference visible, right? Identical twins aren't the same person, and you can't use their differences as an example of natural vs. unnatural The right answer should be "You have gay feelings and that's normally for a developing teen but you have to get passed them because it is not morally ok". I'm pretty damn sure a teacher isn't going to say that. So, in my opinion, it is better for a child to ask his parents, not a teacher (albeit the parent might not give the best answer ever but it's better) I absolutely disagree with this, but it makes me think... what if the teacher WAS homophobic, and the things they would say to the student were anti-gay, rather than supportive. I'm all in favor of teachers helping students understand that there's nothing wrong with being gay, but maybe not all teachers would do that... Maybe it's better to tell those teachers not to say anything... Although this option still isn't as good as the "think for yourself and stop being an ignorant homophobe" option :\
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Post by Insane_Zang on May 22, 2011 10:04:51 GMT -5
Then... the bill should be passed
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Post by SwimFellow on May 22, 2011 12:02:30 GMT -5
Zang, most teachers are supportive of students, whatever lifestyle choice they make. I'm really not sure what school you went to.
If the teachers are homophobic, like Zang, the kids should go to a principal, or a leading figure in the school, and get them fired.
Believe me, at least in areas of the country that kids would come out as gay, such as California, the Northeast (US), basically all of the liberal (not saying conservatives are never anti-homophobia, just saying that the main belief of the group of people is that it's wrong) areas of the world, there are no teachers that aren't supportive of students. Or at least in my experience, and that of my friends, teachers have always been rather open about diversity. And that is possibly the one thing that isn't completely screwed up in our education system.
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Post by Insane_Zang on May 22, 2011 13:15:13 GMT -5
Yes, but supportive in the wrong way. I think I mentioned that
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Post by SwimFellow on May 22, 2011 13:46:02 GMT -5
No, you didn't.
It's not supportive in the wrong way to say that it's ok.
Let me give you a scenario:
Person A: I like turtles. Person B: YOU LIKE F*****G TURTLES? HOW COULD YOU [pants]HOLE?? I'M GOING TO COME TO YOUR F*****G HOUSE AND KILL YOUR FAMILY. YOUR WHOLE FAMILY.
Better way of dealing with it:
Person A: I like turtles Person B: Oh, that's cool I guess. I don't really like turtles much, I like giraffes (DFTBA) more.
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Post by Chelsea on May 22, 2011 13:51:15 GMT -5
Then... the bill should be passed No. It still sends the wrong message, and I don't like it. It was just an interesting thought. If this were passed in CT (lawl), it would be for a completely different reason than in TN. But teachers need to encourage critical thinking and open discussion, so saying "we can't talk about that" COMPLETELY goes against the purpose of education. Even if you don't agree with homosexuality, we should be allowed to talk about it and encourage people to get the facts and form their own opinions.
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