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Post by rialvestro on Apr 2, 2010 4:36:51 GMT -5
spanking a small child in public which is wrong no matter where you do it. And the fact that you think it's not ok to do in public is the "it's only wrong if you get caught" line of thinking. And yes spanking is child abuse. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you're 16 or younger. (Kids today wouldn't last a day in my childhood lol) 16 or younger just because I said spanking is child abuse? You sure are ignorant aren't you. I'm 24 and any intentional act to hurt a child is abuse. It doesn't matter how badly hurt the child is or weather or not you had a reason. The child isn't capable of understanding the reason only that a parent is causeing them pain. The child doesn't care if any serious harm has been done. All a child is able to understand is pain and pain is the same no matter how bad the injury really is. It's only when you get to be an adult that your body starts getting numb to outside pain because by that time, you're allways in constant pain anyway it seems. (at least I am and I think I'm actully rather young to be in this much pain all the time.)
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Post by eileen1992 on Apr 2, 2010 8:00:51 GMT -5
- vomiting all over someone thanks to alcohol - doing the YMCA
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Post by zAkAtAk on Apr 2, 2010 8:28:01 GMT -5
- alcohol - doing the YMCA Doing these 2 together is cool though.
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Post by newschooled on Apr 3, 2010 0:40:59 GMT -5
I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you're 16 or younger. (Kids today wouldn't last a day in my childhood lol) The child isn't capable of understanding the reason only that a parent is causeing them pain. I dunno, when I was a kid and my parents paddled my ass, I knew sure and damn well it was because I did something wrong. You seem to have this vision in your mind of some parent spanking a 6 month old from the sound of it. Granted, the premise in the picture you just painted is at face value accurate if you begin beating a child unprovoked., in context, there's this minor psychological element you may or may not have heard of called negative reinforcement. It's relative and based on actions on part of said offending party. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReinforcementAnd yes, being 24 insures you are guaranteed less ignorant than anyone on any given topic. Congrats. *Slow clap*
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 3, 2010 3:43:43 GMT -5
The child isn't capable of understanding the reason only that a parent is causeing them pain. And yes, being 24 insures you are guaranteed less ignorant than anyone on any given topic. Congrats. *Slow clap* I said you were ignorant because you automatically assumed I was 16 or younger just because I said spanking a child was wrong AND because you seem to think it's OK... which is ignorance. It's a fact that there are other methods of punishment which can teach the same thing without resorting to physical abuse. It's a fact that spanking does more harm than good and that is psychalogical as well as physical. The physical harm is only temporary but the psychalogical damage will last their entire life. You are screwed up in the head and you don't even know it, most likely you were abused by both parents. It's a fact that spanking is just plain lazy. A quick slap takes alot less effort than standing over them for 5 min. while they take a time out. Seriously you can't take 5 min. out of your day to discipline a child properly? My dad works nights and he manged to punish me and my brother without ever touching us. If he can do it than anyone can, saying you don't have time is just plain lazy. It's a fact that the so called "reasons" people spank their children are poorly thought out excuses for what they should know is wrong. Would you think it was OK to break a kid's arm intentionally as long as it was because he broke the rules. Rationalizeing what's wrong to make it right in your own mine. You break the rules, I break your arm. I'm sure that doesn't sound OK to you. It's a fact that the only reason spanking is more accepted than anything else is because it useually doesn't leave a mark or at least not one that can be seen. This is nothing more than a "It's OK as long as I don't get caught" mentalitly. Well no one can tell if a father has raped his daughter unless she gets pregnant, does that make it right? No matter how you look at it. Spanking is child abuse. It might not be as sever as other abuse and it might be for a reason but the effect is the same. It causes pain, fear, hate, rebelion, paranoia, drug abuse, and several other emotional and mental tramas. I've known people to attempt suicide, carrey weapons for protection, run away to a different state, attack the parent, cower in a corner crying just at the mention of the parent's name, refuse to leave school, hide out in neibor's houses, sleep at work, get multiple jobs, anything just to avoid abusive parents.
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Post by varalidaine on Apr 3, 2010 12:14:01 GMT -5
-This ^ (Getting into an argument over a board posting)
_____ Can't we all just get along?
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Post by varalidaine on Apr 3, 2010 12:25:01 GMT -5
Listen you two, I was hit by my parents. And yes, it was more than a spanking. I got a belt or a hotwheel track when I was young (Between 5 and 8). Then, at 9, it was on a more personal note (Pulling hair, being slapped etc.) NO, it is not ok to hit a child in public, but to punish/discipline them is fine. A quick slap on the butt, open handed, for doing something wrong isn't child abuse by the way. 3/4 of the time it's the only thing able to teach a child early on that what they're doing has consequences. IF a child were to be playing with an electrical socket, and almost stuck a fork in it or something, you would spank your child on the butt to make them afraid of doing it again. The child won't understand being yelled at, (Which actually causes more psychological screw ups than hitting) or having to stand in a corner for a few minutes, and will go back when you're least paying attention and probably electrocute themselves. It's good to tell them why you spanked them after the action, and not to go full out berserk on them, and it will teach them that they were doing something wrong. Idk if either of you know what it's like to be hit by a parent, more than an open handed slap on the butt, but this is someone who knows how it feels telling you. Public child discipline is fine. No need to argue over it. And if you disagree, be adults and just get over it. I'm 16yrs old and saying "peace out!"
(P.S perhaps if some kids nowadays had been spanked as a child they wouldn't be so full of themselves and act so horribly towards others. 'Least I know my manners)
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 3, 2010 13:31:37 GMT -5
Listen you two, I was hit by my parents. And yes, it was more than a spanking. I got a belt or a hotwheel track when I was young (Between 5 and 8). Then, at 9, it was on a more personal note (Pulling hair, being slapped etc.) NO, it is not ok to hit a child in public, but to punish/discipline them is fine. No it's not OK to hit a child AT ALL. You can punish/discipline them at home OR in public, it doesn't matter so long as the punishment is reasonable to what they're doing wrong. Hitting is unreasonable and should never be used at all. You of all people should understand this. Yes it is. Child Abuse is defined as any act of intentional physical or emotional harm done to a child. Spanking qualifies. Wrong, there is allways a more reasonable punishment that doesn't hurt the child. My dad managed to punish me and my brother without ever laying a hand on us and for the record he was abused with a tacking strip growing up and offten abused for no reason just because my grandfather was drunk. You could just exsplain that to them without hitting them. And here's a more reasonable punishment you didn't think of, take the fork away! And seriously if you hit them while they're playing with a fork they're lable to stab themself with it when you slap them. Did you really not think of that? And like I said before, do some actual research. Kids who were spanked are actully MORE likely to act horribly towards others than kids who weren't spanked because they're subcontiously taking out their anger twords their parents out on others. That's all spanking really does is piss people off. And BTW your post reads like "Who cares, lets get back on topic" My appoligies to the OP but this is actully way more important than "looking cool."
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Post by Johncoyne on Apr 3, 2010 13:46:36 GMT -5
I was spanked as a small child. My parents would give me a few warnings, and then spank me. I was clearly told why they were doing it, and it was a good form of discipline. I behave very well now. I love my parents. I think it's fine.
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Post by RorySBarnes on Apr 3, 2010 13:48:31 GMT -5
Seems like this thread took a detour.... Anyway, you know what you can't look cool doing? Drugs. Stay away from them, kids.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Apr 3, 2010 13:53:34 GMT -5
Actually, he's made fun of me while being cool, so, that doesn't count =P
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 3, 2010 14:03:42 GMT -5
I was spanked as a small child. My parents would give me a few warnings, and then spank me. I was clearly told why they were doing it, and it was a good form of discipline. I behave very well now. I love my parents. I think it's fine. You think it's fine because you trained to think that way. There are familys who are agenst spanking and get along just fine. And in a family where only one parrent is doing all the abuse the child learns both methods of discipline and allways listens to the parent that doesn't hurt them more. This one I know for fact because I was in this kind of a family and I've delt with other kids in the same situation. Durring divorce kids will allways choose to be with the non-abusive parrent however court systems don't even listen to the children and useually end up giveing custity to the wrong parent. It's all based on inteligence, job status, and living enviorment. Which ever parent upholds the court standards first wins basically. Personally from the first time I was ever spanked by my mother all I've ever wanted to do was hit her back. I've even thought of killing her or myself just to get her out of my life. My dad is the only reason why I haven't, he's the voice of reason who taught me to be a better person than she is. And my mom only slapped me on the ass when I misbehaved and would yell at me. Yelling I think is fine, I don't really care about that. (of course her volcal cords are so screwed up from a car accident she had before I was born that yelling isn't much different from talking.) She hasn't actully hit me sense I was 8 years old only because the law stepped in and threatened to remove me and my brother from custidy if she did. And to this day I still have not forgiven her for her actions, and still can't have a civilized conversation with her that doesn't turn into a cussing war. My dad and I are both normally verry calm cool headed people, it takes ALOT to piss us off. I delt with bullies in school by just ignoreing them. Never got into fights. The only person I've ever faught with and made me angry was my mom. I love and respect my father. That's all you really want from your kids. I have 0 respect for my mother and hate her, when she dies I'll piss on her grave.
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Post by click3tyclick on Apr 3, 2010 14:05:12 GMT -5
Anyway, you know what you can't look cool doing? Drugs. I disagree.
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Post by Johncoyne on Apr 3, 2010 14:08:44 GMT -5
rialvestro- I think that because it's true. They spanked me rarely (maybe about 4 times) and it wasn't hard at all. After they spanked me they would say why they did it, and they would ask me if I learned my lesson. We would hug, kiss, and make up.
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Post by mrmrmr8 on Apr 3, 2010 15:13:05 GMT -5
here's how I feel about the spanking thing. I agree that there are better ways to do something than spanking them. Also if your only spanked a few times in your childhood, its not that bad. Yet if you are always spanked you are. Yet its not so bad to be spanked unless you are spanked 24/7, though it is better to not spank.
The part that really gets me angry (and yes I'm a kid) is that he said " kids today wouldn't last a day in my childhood lol". You act like us kids have it easy, like we have no problems at all. We feel exactly the same amount of physical and emotional pain combied, maybe because of the way we were raised. I bet you wouldn't last a day in your parents childhood. Yet you still think that your problems are bad, even though your parents problem are worse. Stop mocking us (yes you are mocking us) and show some respect that we have problems too. (sorry for going off topic, I just really needed to say this).
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Post by Johncoyne on Apr 3, 2010 15:18:34 GMT -5
I feel that if a child is spanked over 10 times, it loses it's impact.
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Post by mashuga31 on Apr 3, 2010 17:39:36 GMT -5
You guys, please don't de-rail the topic, please create a thread in the debate section.
You can't look cool telling people to create another thread somewhere else.
But oh well someone's gotta do it.
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Post by zAkAtAk on Apr 3, 2010 17:54:33 GMT -5
Anyway, you know what you can't look cool doing? Drugs. I disagree. Drugs cool. I agree with FriskyDisco.
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Post by mashuga31 on Apr 3, 2010 18:01:15 GMT -5
- screwing up saying frisky disco 10 times fast.
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Post by Gesh on Apr 3, 2010 18:51:20 GMT -5
Nearly impossible to look cool while drinking from a juice box. =D
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