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Post by rialvestro on Apr 27, 2010 10:18:01 GMT -5
First of all I'd like to make it clear that I wish to keep this topic as PG as possible. Please keep the conversation mature and do not post photos which may be pornographic.
The reason I'm posting this is because I'm genuinely wanting to know what the difference is. Is it just a matter of personal opinion or is there a fine line between nude art and pornography?
I personally don't see any difference, a nude photo is a nude photo. I'm not questioning when it's depictions of sexual acts but just when it's simply a person who is naked.
A theater I use to work at use to share the building with an art gallery and there were some nude paintings showing a woman's breasts. However the Miley Cyrus Vanity Fair photos didn't show anything and everyone called it porn. I'm kinda lost as to how a woman naked is Art but a girl who is covered is porn? And I'm aware that more recent photos of her actully do show her naked but that even was not talked about as much as the more innocent photos that came before.
So what do you think the difference is? Where should draw the line between what is porn and what is art?
Again remember to keep this mature and do not post any questionable photos.
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Post by Trey on Apr 27, 2010 10:44:30 GMT -5
por·nog·ra·phy (pôr-nŏg'rə-fē)
n.
Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
Nude art is meant to be beautiful.
Porn is something to jack off to.
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 27, 2010 11:12:22 GMT -5
por·nog·ra·phy (pôr-nŏg'rə-fē) n. Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal. Nude art is meant to be beautiful. Porn is something to jack off to. You know when I said to keep this mature I was trying to avoid the use of the phraise "something to jack off to" in this discussion. Could you please rephraise that last statement. |
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Post by jmejia1187 on Apr 27, 2010 11:23:44 GMT -5
What he means to say is, nude art has aesthetic beauty, and is pleasing to the eyes to look at, as art.
While the purpose of porn is to give someone a different type of pleasure. A pleasure of sexual nature...
Mostly, of solo-sexual nature
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 27, 2010 11:30:58 GMT -5
He was supposed to say: "Something which you look at while you rub the bits between your legs repeatedly" From art college the impression I got was that "Art" uses a person as a means and "Porn" sees a human as an end in itself. We were encouraged to only see shapes, to not give a shite about the person sitting in front of us, who she was or what she was interested in or what her name was or anything like that. In art women rarely look at the painter/ the camera, in pornography they generally stare right at the camera and confront it. The reality and sexuality of a living person is confronted and she is aware of the camera and knows full well what you're doing. Its absolutely not true that naked women in art weren't sexualised, that was the whole purpose of it before the camera was invented. In Elizabethan times being an artist model was the lowest rung of society and even prostitutes were reluctant to do it. Pretending it had something to do with the skill of the artist was like pretending to read the articles in playboy. Compare in oil painting oh I was on a walk in the woods one day when i chanced upon a naked girl and managed to do a quick watercolour / entire oil painting www.fine-art-sales.co.uk/josh-fisher-painting.JPGwww.paintinghere.com/uploadpic/Jules%20Joseph%20Lefebvre/big/Mary%20Magdalene%20In%20The%20Cave.jpg(warning: paintings of nude human females) vs. look how sexy i am! media.timeoutchicago.com/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/208/208.x600.film.viva.dvd.jpg? www.listen2unclejay.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/jennifer-love-hewitt-1280x960-18226.jpg(warning: ummm... a fully clothed woman sitting on a bed with a fully clothed man looking at her and a picture of Jenifer-love-hewit with her shirt unbuttoned ..) I'm pretty sure you could call this safe for work, but I limited it to a link just in case. All that has changed really is the nature of the most common fetishes. We've always had a habit of thinking that anything old is decent and our grandparents didn't know the meaning of the word "masturbate" |
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 27, 2010 11:31:26 GMT -5
What he means to say is, nude art has aesthetic beauty, and is pleasing to the eyes to look at, as art. While the purpose of porn is to give someone a different type of pleasure. A pleasure of sexual nature... Mostly, of solo-sexual nature So basically it's just a matter of personal opinion? |
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Post by Johncoyne on Apr 27, 2010 11:35:50 GMT -5
I think it's all about purpose.
ART: Oh, I love the way she's looking away in the distance, like she's following a cloud in the sky.
PORN: o l00kk at dem titties!1
Big difference.
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 27, 2010 11:48:31 GMT -5
Well first of all I think your post was very well thought out and mature so no problems there but this... Compare in oil painting oh I was on a walk in the woods one day when i chanced upon a naked girl and managed to do a quick watercolour vs. look how sexy i am! I'm pretty sure you could call this safe for work, but I limited it to a link just in case. I spicifically said NOT to post any questionable pictures. (note that I took out the links in my quote.) While you and I may not have a problem with these pictures I'm trying to conduct this as a mature discussion not a look and compair. I kinda exspect a few people to be inmature about this so I'll let that slide a bit and just encourage people to rephraise when it happens. But the number one rule that I can't let slide durring this discussion is NO PICTURES. Again they might very well be "safe for work" but please take the links out of that post. |
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Post by Johncoyne on Apr 27, 2010 12:05:14 GMT -5
Another thing that I remember from reading a book about Mythology:
Porne is the word for a prostitute in Ancient Greece.
Pornography literally means to write about the porne.
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Post by stephen5000 on Apr 27, 2010 12:14:01 GMT -5
It seems to me that whether something is art or pornography (or both) is very subjective. Frankly, you can get turned on by just about anything if it's your cup of tea.
I suppose you could pin it down to the intent of the maker of the material in question, but why let one person's view on something affect the rest of us?
Also hoe the piece is marketed seems to be very important: it's porn if it's marketed as porn and art if it is marketed as art. You could ask if, say, video of sexual acts can ever be considered as more than pornography. By I'd ask Why not?
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Post by zAkAtAk on Apr 27, 2010 12:30:44 GMT -5
I like porn.
I like turtles.
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Post by Trey on Apr 27, 2010 12:47:51 GMT -5
Well first of all I think your post was very well thought out and mature so no problems there but this... Compare in oil painting oh I was on a walk in the woods one day when i chanced upon a naked girl and managed to do a quick watercolour vs. look how sexy i am! I'm pretty sure you could call this safe for work, but I limited it to a link just in case. I spicifically said NOT to post any questionable pictures. (note that I took out the links in my quote.) While you and I may not have a problem with these pictures I'm trying to conduct this as a mature discussion not a look and compair. I kinda exspect a few people to be inmature about this so I'll let that slide a bit and just encourage people to rephraise when it happens. But the number one rule that I can't let slide durring this discussion is NO PICTURES. Again they might very well be "safe for work" but please take the links out of that post. Just chill for a sec. Nude art is not rated R, or even PG-13. It's very appropriate for children to see, actually. It's not like we're sending links to kids that depict sex. I imagine you are one of those people that would shield a child's eyes when you see Michelangelo's "David"? I went to Busche Gardens Europe last summer, and there were tons of nude statues in the Italy part. Nobody seemed to be appalled by that, and there were children everywhere! Maybe you should take a minute to watch Dan Brown's "SEX" video. Wait, I'm sorry. Is "Sex" a grown up word? Sorry... Maybe you should grow up before you scold people for using words and posting appropriate pictures that you are afraid of. If you were truly mature, you would've laughed at my little comment about porn instead of bitching about it. |
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Post by Johncoyne on Apr 27, 2010 12:49:20 GMT -5
^Yesh.
If you're going to post a discussion about porn, you should expect that.
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Post by click3tyclick on Apr 27, 2010 13:50:59 GMT -5
If you were truly mature, you would've laughed at my little comment about porn instead of bitching about it. I agree with the rest of your post, but this doesn't make sense at all. |
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Post by Trey on Apr 27, 2010 14:05:53 GMT -5
If you were truly mature, you would've laughed at my little comment about porn instead of bitching about it. I agree with the rest of your post, but this doesn't make sense at all. My point is saying a comment like, "Porn is something to jack off to" is something mature people shouldn't get offended by. |
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Apr 27, 2010 14:20:11 GMT -5
TreyWhen you went to Busch Gardens did you ride The Griffon?
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 27, 2010 14:24:00 GMT -5
The human body is natural and beautiful. A nude photograph is meant to celebrate that beauty. I'm really having a hard time understanding how you can say that it's porn.. There's nothing sexual about it.. It's just nature...
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Post by metallica210 on Apr 27, 2010 14:25:59 GMT -5
^ so is sex...
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Post by Cortney on Apr 27, 2010 14:37:29 GMT -5
Sex and porn are different. Porn is abuse of sex, but the act of sex itself is not porn. Natural occurrences can be made unnatural. Pooping is natural. Two girls and one cup is not natural.
Following on the difference between porn and sex, this also defines the difference between porn and art. It's all about the purpose, like others have been saying. Nude art is to appreciate and learn the human figure. Porn is, as Trey said, "something you jack off to." It's sole purpose is to sexually stimulate its viewers.
Also, while I can appreciate that you are trying to keep this thread clean, it seems like you're spending more time trying to moderate what's said than actually discussing the topic. This forum isn't PG. That doesn't mean people should go crazy and post porn pictures (and, that picture posted wasn't porn), but it doesn't mean phrases like jacking off should be completely removed. Maturity doesn't come from REFUSING to use these phrases, it comes from HOW you use them.
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Post by Trey on Apr 27, 2010 14:40:52 GMT -5
TreyWhen you went to Busch Gardens did you ride The Griffon? Yes, I did, and it was epic! Thanks for asking! ;D |
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