Gerrt
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Apr 13, 2010 1:08:24 GMT -5
Post by Gerrt on Apr 13, 2010 1:08:24 GMT -5
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Apr 13, 2010 1:47:23 GMT -5
Post by IMAGINARYphilosophy on Apr 13, 2010 1:47:23 GMT -5
My only issue is his statement that most life has sex. I'm pretty sure most life forms produce asexually (though I could be wrong). All animals reproduce sexually, of course, but animals are just a fraction of the life on Earth.
Beyond that, my opinion is largely guided by the statistical data available. Abstinence-only programs are horribly ineffectual at preventing teen pregnancy and the transmission of STIs. Comprehensive sexual education is more effective, but not perfect. The best program I'm aware of is the focus of a recent study on Abstinence-focused sexual education.
Abstinence-focused education includes discussion of condoms and contraceptives, but mainly tries to empower teens to chose abstinence until they are ready for sexual activity. In other words, an abstinence-focused program says: Wait until you decide you are ready to have sex. Don't let anyone pressure you. And when you decide you are ready, here's how to protect yourself.
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priam
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Apr 13, 2010 2:37:43 GMT -5
Post by priam on Apr 13, 2010 2:37:43 GMT -5
Ummm... If anything we can use health education classes as a valuable resource to each individual because we don't have to worry about anything happening about the pop stopping because there is so freaking much of us. It is a little pointless to have an entire calss dedicated to it though... I wasted three hours a week for two years learning this :0!!!!! It is kinda stupid that we are making more nonsense about privatising sex and making it embarrising then we do talking about eating from the flesh of heated animals. (btw im not a vegetarian ...
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Apr 13, 2010 6:22:24 GMT -5
Post by alohahannah on Apr 13, 2010 6:22:24 GMT -5
I think this is actually when area where gay/bi/lesbian people are better off than straight people in some ways - in that they think more about the meaning of sex. When you are realsing your sexuality, you go on a whole sole-searching journey withing yourself, to find out who you are, what you are, and why. So, it naturally follows that people who have been through this discovery are more focused on the less phsycal part of sexuality, and they begin to accept sex as not something disgusting or gross, but something altogether more natural.
Ofcourse, I am simply generalising, but perhaps all young people should be incouraged to think this deeply about sex?
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Apr 13, 2010 6:52:51 GMT -5
Post by Trey on Apr 13, 2010 6:52:51 GMT -5
I think what one of the biggest problems that are causing teenagers to feel ashamed of having sex (Besides parents making it taboo) are these stupid promise cards that say, "I promise not to have sex until I'm married". Remember those? I hate these, simply because it gives the parent the illusion the your kid isn't going to do it, and it also makes the kid feel REALLY guilty when he/she does it. I mean, my little sister (She's 17, and I'm still a virgin at 18, lmao) signed the abstinence cards, and wore the promise rings. How do you think that ended? Well, she slipped up. She had sex, and was too ashamed to tell anybody. Those cards/rings are just setting your kid up for failure, and it's going to make them feel like SHIRT when they do something completely natural.
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Apr 13, 2010 11:59:29 GMT -5
Post by JustAnne on Apr 13, 2010 11:59:29 GMT -5
I have never experienced sex as a taboo when it comes to my parents telling me about it. i mean they didn't come up to me saying, hey, you're 12 when are you finally gonna have sex or have it loudly so i could hear them but when i had my first boyfriend they told me what could happen (as in STDs and stuff) and how to protect myself. besides the fact that i already knew most of it because there are magazines for teenagers here that talk about it freely, it just helped knowing that it's ok to have sex if i want to but i don't have to and shouldn't let anyone pressure me.. I just think it's totally wrong to tell your kids sex is bad etc. like a lot of parents in america do.. i just don't get why.. and so yeah, I will talk about it with my kids and i want them to know about it because it's important, there's stuff out there that isn't curable and some STDs can get pretty dangerous and I just want them to be safe, I don't know why American parents wouldn't want that..
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Apr 13, 2010 12:35:41 GMT -5
Post by zAkAtAk on Apr 13, 2010 12:35:41 GMT -5
When I was in 5th grade, we had our first sex education class ever. The boys were in one class, the girls in another. We only learned about what it was and what changes we were to expect during puberty. There was zero mention of sex.
In 8th grade, we had our second sex education class. In this one, they talked mostly about sex. They did teach us that it is safer to wear a condom, but they heavily shoved abstinence down our throats. I remember an activity they made us do. We each made a huge heart. Then some student's were paired up with other students and were made to rip their hearts in half and give them to each other. Then, they broke up and had some people with half a heart match up with someone with a full heart. I found the whole thing ridiculous. Mind you that both my 5th grade and 8th grade classes happened in a Catholic school.
In 10th grade I went to a private school and part of a semester in health class was about sex education. This one was more focused on how to have safe sex. They mentioned abstinence as an alternative, but they primarily focused on how to put on a condom, what some STDs are, pregnancy, and other actual useful information. Some students were abstinent and some were not.
Personally, I find the non-abstinent approach much healthier. During the course of your life you are going to have sex, whether it be with just the one person you marry, of with lots of people you date. It's better to learn the safer approach than just the don't-do-it approach. The abstinent approach doesn't do anything for you when you are ready to have sex. It doesn't prepare you in any way - it only scares you.
I didn't have sex until I was 18 and that was a personal choice. I did it when I felt that I was ready. I understood all of what was going to happen, what could happen, and the chances involved. Most schools do need to teach both kinds of sex education. Abstinence is a good policy in general, but it doesn't really teach you anything; it only puts in your mind "Sex is scary. I shouldn't have sex. Sex is bad", which is a very unhealthy and unproductive way of looking at it.
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Nakor
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Apr 13, 2010 15:32:25 GMT -5
Post by Nakor on Apr 13, 2010 15:32:25 GMT -5
Let me see what I can remember. For us (BC, Canada) sex ed started in Kindergarten (age 5-6). Mind you, it wasn't really sex ed so much as it was "these are your privates, this is what they are called so a doctor will understand if you ever need to talk to one, and nobody should ever touch them without permission." Not much more than that.
There really wasn't a lot more than that until grade 5 or 6 if I recall correctly. At that point they explained what sex was, the various sex organs inside the body, how pregnancy worked, hormones and the like. I can't remember if they touched on abstinence or condoms or not, that was rather some time ago for me, and it was probably too early an age to really worry much about it. (Grade 5 is about age 10-11.)
Starting from the first year in high school (grade 8, age 13-14) they certainly did. In fact, they brought in a bunch, showed their exact usage and everything. Everyone had to show that they knew how to put one on (their thumb). They didn't recommend utter abstinence iirc, but they did encourage abstinence to an extent... you know, don't just do it with anyone, make sure it's with someone who you really care for, and don't let anyone force or rush you into it, only when you're ready. That sort of thing. They also talked about STDs of course, and also about the birth control pill and why one should never rely on it alone due to STDs. They also touched on the morning after pill, talking to a doctor before sex and so forth. This was an annual affair from grade 5 through to grade 11 (in elementary 5-7 done with the school as a whole at scheduled days, and in high school grade 8-11 done during Career & Personal Planning classes, a mandatory half-semester class).
Anyway, it was clear that it wasn't abstinence only education, although they certainly encouraged abstinence to an extent. I think it was a very well laid out program.
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Apr 13, 2010 15:47:05 GMT -5
Post by Lex on Apr 13, 2010 15:47:05 GMT -5
We never learned about how to put a condom on, but it's a fairly straight-forward procedure.
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Apr 13, 2010 16:33:25 GMT -5
Post by RandiKthxxx on Apr 13, 2010 16:33:25 GMT -5
In 4th grade we watched a video about our private parts, basically what everything ones. Boys and girls were separate. In 5th grade we watched a video about puberty (periods, boobs etc.) and I'm guessing the boys watched a video about erections or whatever. In 7th and 8th grade we had like a month, possibly more of sex ed. Videos and whatnot, they actually had a specialist come in and give the class. She'd tell us we could write down questions anonymously and pass them down and she'd answer them. Me and my friends wrote down fake questions, it was great fun But in that class they touched on everything from sex to pregnancy to homosexuality to STD's. I guess it was kinda informative, not really. I don't remember much about it. I'm a junior in high school now and I haven't heard a mention of sex ed besides a few vocabulary words for health in 9th grade P.E./Health.
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T3CHN0B4BBL3
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Apr 13, 2010 17:49:05 GMT -5
Post by T3CHN0B4BBL3 on Apr 13, 2010 17:49:05 GMT -5
Like most of you, the only real "sex ed" class I had was back in 6th grade. The boys and girls were separated and were taught about puberty. The act of sex wasn't discussed at all. I didn't even get a sex talk by my parents. I pretty much found out from kids around me throughout school.
I have chosen to take the course of abstinence, but it wasn't because of it being enforced. I guess I just don't want to have sex with everyone I see. I find it more attractive when a girl has some respect for her body and not just throw herself at every guy she sees. But that's my opinion.
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Apr 13, 2010 18:06:42 GMT -5
Post by Lex on Apr 13, 2010 18:06:42 GMT -5
I wasn't ever given a sex talk by my parents. They never fed me bullsh*t stories about the stork. From the very beginning around when I started school, when I started to ask questions, they explained it to me very straightforward. This goes in here, this does this, blah blah blah.
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Apr 14, 2010 20:17:58 GMT -5
Post by low on Apr 14, 2010 20:17:58 GMT -5
In Dan's video, he mentioned this very valid point: "The fact that we have sex is absolutely positively no weirder than the fact that we eat food and yet we're so freakin' weird about it!"
He also said this: "Now I am NOT looking for your intimate personal escapades, details, etc, that's private and should remain private."
We talk about meals and cooking all the time, so the real question is why shouldn't we talk about sexual encounters? We can share recipes and restaurants, though restaurants outside of Nevada won't be a part of this conversation.
I'm imagining the porn version of Jamie Oliver, right now. "These kids do not even know what a *expletive* is."
The jokes are tough to resist, which could be a direct result of growing up in a world that is sexually awkward.
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Apr 14, 2010 20:29:08 GMT -5
Post by Lex on Apr 14, 2010 20:29:08 GMT -5
I'm imagining the porn version of Jamie Oliver, right now. "These kids do not even know what a *expletive* is." Turkey twizzlers.
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Apr 14, 2010 20:36:42 GMT -5
Post by low on Apr 14, 2010 20:36:42 GMT -5
I'm imagining the porn version of Jamie Oliver, right now. "These kids do not even know what a *expletive* is." Turkey twizzlers. If there were ever a way to make sex sound both hilarious and undesirable, you've found it. I lolled.
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Apr 14, 2010 21:07:51 GMT -5
Post by straemer on Apr 14, 2010 21:07:51 GMT -5
Well the one issue I have is that nobody these days seems to know the difference between abstinence and chastity. Abstinence is never having sex for your ENTIRE life, for the most part, only very religious leaders fall into this category. Chastity on the other hand is abstaining from immoral sexual actions. Just go to dictionary.com and see for yourselves. Now, does abstinence work for everyone? Well if it did, the human race wouldn't have gotten very far... So the question is really about chastity. Now traditionally, this would mean that you wait until you are married to have sex. But in today's society, what is marriage worth? Religious and secular people would have very different views on this. The problem is that only 2 extreme views seem to be taught: "don't do it until you're married"; and "this is how you put on a condom". Now the first of the two teachings may (but seldom does) bring up the aspect of love, which is what sex is actually about, and the second may (but seldom does) bring up that you should wait until you are ready. These 2 seldom brought-up points just happen to be the most important. Sex should be taught as an extreme expression of love, that you should only share with the right person. The point should also be brought up that you may think you found the right person, but it turns out they definitely weren't. Should you be "stuck" with them for the rest of your life? Of course not! As humans, we make mistakes, we don't expect to be perfect in anything else, why here?
In short, rather than focusing specifically on what is considered to be morally correct, and trying to ram your own morals down others' throats, sexual education should be about love, trust, communication, and waiting until you deem it to be right. Either extreme of this is often not the right way to go about this (And believe me, I'm usually pro-extremes in about 90% of issues)
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Apr 14, 2010 23:17:40 GMT -5
Post by zAkAtAk on Apr 14, 2010 23:17:40 GMT -5
Abstinence is never having sex for your ENTIRE life, for the most part, only very religious leaders fall into this category. I read up to here and couldn't read further. This is entirely wrong.
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Apr 14, 2010 23:33:36 GMT -5
Post by straemer on Apr 14, 2010 23:33:36 GMT -5
Abstinence is never having sex for your ENTIRE life, for the most part, only very religious leaders fall into this category. I read up to here and couldn't read further. This is entirely wrong. Shame you didn't bother looking up the definition as I suggested afterward then: dictionary.reference.com/browse/abstinence1. forbearance from any indulgence of appetite, esp. from the use of alcoholic beverages: total abstinence. 2. any self-restraint, self-denial, or forbearance. 3. Economics . the conserving of current income in order to build up capital or savings. 4. the state of being without a drug, as alcohol or heroin, on which one is dependent. Thus implying that to be abstinent you do not have sex. If however it was the part about very religious leaders that you felt was entirely wrong, then I suppose you could include a good number of people that died prematurely, but the bulk of people that make a conscious effort to be abstinent are very religious in one way or another.
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Apr 14, 2010 23:36:13 GMT -5
Post by DoodleDood on Apr 14, 2010 23:36:13 GMT -5
Abstinence is never having sex for your ENTIRE life, for the most part, only very religious leaders fall into this category. I read up to here and couldn't read further. This is entirely wrong. ^ ^ Agree ^ ^
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Gerrt
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Apr 14, 2010 23:41:06 GMT -5
Post by Gerrt on Apr 14, 2010 23:41:06 GMT -5
I'll put my two cents in now.
I had my first talk about sex in grade 6. Now coming from a Christian private school from primary to grade 5, you can imagine that I was in the dark about all this stuff. I went to public school in grade six and had the counselor lady come to the class and talk.
All through junior high in PDR (personal development and relationships) we touched on sex, sti's, and all that jazz. But i must say that the only thing I benefited from was when i talked to my mother. Now she is a very straight forward woman. So she told me everything which yes was weird because it was my mother, but then, it is your mother so you can trust her.
For me I think talking about sex with your significant other is the best thing you can do. And don't have sex until you feel like it is the right time for you. If your partner says something like "You don't love me if you won't have sex" then screw them! Sex is special and I feel that it is something that can bring a relationship closer or sadly, tear it apart.
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