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Post by paradoxasaurus on Apr 17, 2010 3:06:46 GMT -5
SO there's a theory that the reason people like different colors is because our colors look different. For example, the color I've been taught to call blue could look like your green, but we both were taught to call them blue and green. What do you guys think of this?
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 17, 2010 3:32:19 GMT -5
If we all saw different colors wouldn't that make everyone color blind? Unless you're color blind your perception of blue should be the same as every other non-color blind person. The only people who see blue as a different color like green are incapable of seeing what blue really looks like. This is preddy much like saying the reason we all like different songs is because we all hear different music when the same song is played. P.S. If you didn't already know from the first topic I posted here, I'm apperently one of only 2 color blind people on these fourms.
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Post by stephen5000 on Apr 17, 2010 3:50:18 GMT -5
Unless you're color blind your perception of blue should be the same as every other non-color blind person. The only people who see blue as a different color like green are incapable of seeing what blue really looks like. While colour perception may be the same on the sensory level, who's to say that the interpretation of the sensory data by the brain results in the same mental image as someone else. We would really need to know much more about the brain to look at this properly. Different people may have very different ways of thinking in general.
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 17, 2010 4:06:52 GMT -5
Unless you're color blind your perception of blue should be the same as every other non-color blind person. The only people who see blue as a different color like green are incapable of seeing what blue really looks like. While colour perception may be the same on the sensory level, who's to say that the interpretation of the sensory data by the brain results in the same mental image as someone else. We would really need to know much more about the brain to look at this properly. Different people may have very different ways of thinking in general. As a person who is color blind I'm having a hard time understanding how the topic in question is different from color blindness.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 17, 2010 6:19:10 GMT -5
Well, the thing is, for instance different languages have different spectrums of words for colors, which leads to different languages having different colors. If I remember correctly, Hindu has 40 or so words for what we would call: red/rouge/satin... Which leads to them having easier to differentiate between different tones of red.. I know that sounded wierd but think it through and youll understand what I mean. And I read the same thing about colors that the OP did, that some see colors in a "other color" than me, but are taught that the colors name is "red". I doesnt make them colorblind, they will still know that the color is red, but the reflection from the surface would in their head register as blue, while it actually is red, and because they are taught its red, they call it red, and it is actually red, but they register it as blue in their head, while blue might register red. To make it more apprehendable you could describe it as this: Different colors can make us angry/sad/glad/mellow, right? So, for instance Red is a aggressive color, most of us find it an aggressive color, but some people, might register it as a mellow color, like blue, but they know its red, but in their heads it register different. I think this would make for a clear understanding of what I mean right? Wibbly wobbly, Timey Wimey ball of yarn
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Post by Trey on Apr 17, 2010 6:59:40 GMT -5
I try to explain this concept to my family all the time.. They don't seem to get it, lol.
Let's say I see a green apple and you see the same apple as purple, yet you've always been taught that it's green. You look at the purple apple, and say, "That apple is green!" Even though it looks purple. It's because you've always been taught to identify that color as green. If this theory were true, this means we all see in different colors, but we are able to agree about the color of a certain object.
I see what might seem yellow to you, and you see what might seem red to me. Yet, we both can say, "Blue", at the same time because we've always been taught to identify these colors as "blue".
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Post by ninjaearl on Apr 17, 2010 9:30:40 GMT -5
It's an unlikely situation as a result of ours being based off of genetic code. I have debated this before in psychology classes though, and I came to the conclusion "so what?" Even though it's highly unlikely that every human, despite having very similar genetic coding, had different color reception on the light sensitive cells in their brain and eyes, what difference would it make? Everything would correspond anyways and you would learn what colors you like based on other peoples' opinions anyway
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Post by MCPuppet on Apr 17, 2010 9:54:18 GMT -5
I try to explain this concept to my family all the time.. They don't seem to get it, lol. Let's say I see a green apple and you see the same apple as purple, yet you've always been taught that it's green. You look at the purple apple, and say, "That apple is green!" Even though it looks purple. It's because you've always been taught to identify that color as green. If this theory were true, this means we all see in different colors, but we are able to agree about the color of a certain object. I see what might seem yellow to you, and you see what might seem red to me. Yet, we both can say, "Blue", at the same time because we've always been taught to identify these colors as "blue". Isn't this only possible if the person/people who taught you the colours sees the same colours as you?
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Post by Nakor on Apr 17, 2010 10:44:39 GMT -5
The idea is that everyone can see the full spectrum of colours, but the spectrum is in different orders for different people. However, because there's no way to see what other people are actually seeing, there's no way to know for sure.
I believe the argument falls apart when you consider that you can't just scramble the spectrum into any order. The colours mix in fairly logical ways, and so we can't replace red, blue and yellow with purple, beige and pink and expect them to behave the same way. But then, I won't claim to be an expert lol.
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Post by jmejia1187 on Apr 17, 2010 11:08:05 GMT -5
I try to explain this concept to my family all the time.. They don't seem to get it, lol. Let's say I see a green apple and you see the same apple as purple, yet you've always been taught that it's green. You look at the purple apple, and say, "That apple is green!" Even though it looks purple. It's because you've always been taught to identify that color as green. If this theory were true, this means we all see in different colors, but we are able to agree about the color of a certain object. I see what might seem yellow to you, and you see what might seem red to me. Yet, we both can say, "Blue", at the same time because we've always been taught to identify these colors as "blue". I think I might be able to add some much needed information to this debate! I myself am colorblind and I can tell you, I do not see colors like everyone else. My specific colorblindness is red/green weak. Here is an online test for general colorblindnessHere is a colorblind test that lets you see how a colorblind person perceives the colorwheel!There are many different types of colorblindness. Sometimes I tell my friends check out that (insert color here) (insert object here). And then they respond, Dude, that is (insert different color here). And I have to say, DONT MAKE FUN OF MY GENETIC DISABILITIES! The thing is, 2 out of 5 men are colorblind in some way (take the tests to see for yourself!). Remember, there are many different types of colorblindness, I happen to be red green colorblind. I have friends who are brown yellow colorblind. Here is another test that tests RED GREEN colorblindness specifically!once you find out that your colorblind, please seek out a healthcare professional to verify. There is no prescription, or anything special you can do to differentiate these colors. You my friend have become a victim of your own genetic disability! But once a doctor verifies, then it is official
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Post by jmejia1187 on Apr 17, 2010 11:13:02 GMT -5
Yeah, but since color perception is based on our genetic code, except for those who are colorblind, we all see the same colors...
I think colors shouldn't be labelled as they are personally, but should be taught as a function of wavelength. Then we can say that color is 750 nm and everyone will say OH dark red.
Of course, many colors are a mix of wavelengths, like the neon or metallic colors, which makes this reasoning difficult. But blue is always around 458, no matter if your colorblind or not...
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Post by paradoxasaurus on Apr 17, 2010 11:48:49 GMT -5
I try to explain this concept to my family all the time.. They don't seem to get it, lol. Let's say I see a green apple and you see the same apple as purple, yet you've always been taught that it's green. You look at the purple apple, and say, "That apple is green!" Even though it looks purple. It's because you've always been taught to identify that color as green. If this theory were true, this means we all see in different colors, but we are able to agree about the color of a certain object. I see what might seem yellow to you, and you see what might seem red to me. Yet, we both can say, "Blue", at the same time because we've always been taught to identify these colors as "blue". Isn't this only possible if the person/people who taught you the colours sees the same colours as you? Not necesarily, just like when the human language was made, the creator could point at something and say "cat". Eventually others would understand that that is called cat. Same if they taught what a cat was and then said "brown". Given, this isn't the best explanation due to the fact of how would the learner know what color is, it's the best scenario I could think of.
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Post by Nakor on Apr 17, 2010 12:23:14 GMT -5
The difference between this hypothesis and actual colourblindness is that -- to at least some extent (depending on the severity of the colourblindness) -- colourblind people do not have vision of some part of the colour spectrum. Whereas with this theory, rather than eliminating parts of the colour spectrum, we're randomly rearranging them for each person, but nobody knows it because even though colours are insanely different for different people, everyone still sees all the colours, and uses the same words for an object's colour because one sees green and calls it blue, the other sees red and calls it blue, etc.
Again, though, I think that can't really happen, as there are too many other factors that mess with the possibility that is true. For example, saturation and contrast wouldn't work well with a system like that if it were true.
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Post by Joey on Apr 17, 2010 14:52:52 GMT -5
Well, what if you could somehow figure out how to make two peoples perception of color the same, and see if the persons whos colors were changed to another doesnt see an orange as orange, but blue. Science FTW!
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Post by Jake on Apr 17, 2010 21:27:52 GMT -5
Although this could all theoretically happen and no one would be able to work it out either way, I don't think it works in reality...in terms of the connections in our brains and all that!
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 18, 2010 1:58:23 GMT -5
I try to explain this concept to my family all the time.. They don't seem to get it, lol. Let's say I see a green apple and you see the same apple as purple, yet you've always been taught that it's green. You look at the purple apple, and say, "That apple is green!" Even though it looks purple. It's because you've always been taught to identify that color as green. If this theory were true, this means we all see in different colors, but we are able to agree about the color of a certain object. I see what might seem yellow to you, and you see what might seem red to me. Yet, we both can say, "Blue", at the same time because we've always been taught to identify these colors as "blue". I think I might be able to add some much needed information to this debate! I myself am colorblind and I can tell you, I do not see colors like everyone else. My specific colorblindness is red/green weak. Here is an online test for general colorblindnessHere is a colorblind test that lets you see how a colorblind person perceives the colorwheel!There are many different types of colorblindness. Sometimes I tell my friends check out that (insert color here) (insert object here). And then they respond, Dude, that is (insert different color here). And I have to say, DONT MAKE FUN OF MY GENETIC DISABILITIES! The thing is, 2 out of 5 men are colorblind in some way (take the tests to see for yourself!). Remember, there are many different types of colorblindness, I happen to be red green colorblind. I have friends who are brown yellow colorblind. Here is another test that tests RED GREEN colorblindness specifically!once you find out that your colorblind, please seek out a healthcare professional to verify. There is no prescription, or anything special you can do to differentiate these colors. You my friend have become a victim of your own genetic disability! But once a doctor verifies, then it is official So you're the other person? How come you didn't post in my color blind topic?
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Post by bleabot on Apr 18, 2010 2:20:25 GMT -5
On those tests, I found something interesting. They had standard colorblindness tests, but then they had tests that were reverse -- colorblind people could see the picture, but nobody else can. For example, the one on that page had the word "NO". However, I squinted my eyes, and it became perfectly clear. Further down, there was a test that clearly had a 5, but when I squinted, it was, without a doubt, a 2. I read that colorblind people would see the 2, but everyone else would see 5.
So, uh, squinting = colorblindness. =P Anyone have a reason for this?
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 18, 2010 4:35:45 GMT -5
On those tests, I found something interesting. They had standard colorblindness tests, but then they had tests that were reverse -- colorblind people could see the picture, but nobody else can. For example, the one on that page had the word "NO". However, I squinted my eyes, and it became perfectly clear. Further down, there was a test that clearly had a 5, but when I squinted, it was, without a doubt, a 2. I read that colorblind people would see the 2, but everyone else would see 5. So, uh, squinting = colorblindness. =P Anyone have a reason for this? It's an internet test and frankly are not entirely accurate. There's a few that show I'm not color blind and yet I'm incapable of differentiating between some colors. I actually needed someone else to color a military uniform I was making on City Villains Navy Blue. I needed someone else to pick the color because there are about 15 different colors in the game that all look the same as Navy Blue. Really want them to update the game so the names of the colors show in words on mouse over. Some art programs do this allready and it's helpfull because I've learned what colors things are supose to be but I can't actully see them myself so as long as someone or something tells me the name of that color I'm lable to use it weather or not it's right.
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