My Theories/Ideas

[SquiggleTag]

so i dont have much scientific proof to back these up but here are a few theories of mine.

Theory #1

if someone were to travel into the future there would be no going back. this is because once the person enters "the future" that future becomes that persons present. They could not return back to their previous timeline because the present they are in now (aka our future) has been created through the events of them not being there.

Theory #2

this theory is that choices are just illusion.
based on the idea that EVERYTHING is pre-determined i believe this could go back as far as the big bang itself, and every "choice" you make has been influenced by the world around you (your upbringing, previous decisions, and everyother little thing that may or may not directly affect you)

in other words ... the only way things could have been different is if the big bang had happened slightly (and by slightly i mean almost unnoticable).

Theory #3

this theory is more of an idea i developed once in an RE (Religious Education) lesson.

i though about re-incarnation and how the person would have no memory of the previous life. and this got me wondering ...

what if say someones first life was lived from 2000 to 2073 and then their "next life" was lived in say the 1900's


i'd just like to say that these "Theroies" are more like ideas, PogoTribe value #7 states "Stand by what we know to be true."
and since there is no way to prove my ideas i'll simply go off value #8 (accept we dont know everything)

if you have any thoughts on any of my ideas post below ... because its always nice to share your thoughts (unless your a zombie)

PDBAZ !

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Theory #1
If time travel both in future and past would be able, this wouldn't be a problem, since everything that happened before you travelled to the future would still be true and part of history. There would just be a gap in time where you wouldn't exist.
So basically, you would be able to go back to the moment before the time travelling itself (XD).
Though that would also mean that if you do go back, the future where you were would never exist, as by existing, you would change it.

Theory #2
If you assume that a choice is something purely 100% original, decided by that person, not influenced by anybody or anything, you're correct. That would be impossible.
I think a choice is the direction you go every time in life you get different options. For example, today I went to the train station via a different route than normal. That was an active decision by my concious being, but it was obviously influenced by other people who say that path is shorter/better/more beautiful.

That being said, I don't believe in "an ultimate goal" or pre-determined jazz.

[RabbitWho]

Hee hee squiggle, none of those are your ideas. You may have had them, but they've been around the block.

1 and 3 are related. Why do you think time is linear? Why do you think the future is forward and the past is back? If time is a circle or spiral (and many cultures believe it is) then forward is no more difficult or no different to back. We're just in the habit of moving clockwise. We perceive time as being linear as that's how we happen to experience it, but what is time only a measurement of change? I'm sure to some species it seems as though the universe is constantly contracting.

And I'm not talking about 2 because Free Will vs Determinism has never interested me, I can't figure out why. Everyone is different I guess, I have a friend who doesn't care if there is life after death but finds the question of free will fascinating. I'm the opposite. I know some day she'll start finding the afterlife interesting but I dunno if my curiosity will swap as well!

[Trey]

We have some different hypotheses I guess I think that at every time you must make a decision in life, the timeline splits. Whether it's choosing to stay home from school/work, or coming up with an example to write about in a thread post. I think this thesis actually parallels with the scientists' view of the 12 dimensions.

[DubiousKing]

Here are my personal theories that correspond to the ones you posted:

1) The best way to illustrate how I think about time (especially concerning time travel) is a tree with tons of branches that break off into tons of branches, that break off into tons of branches, etc. The beginning of each branch represents the timeline, as it's being experienced by its participants, splitting into multiple possibilities. I believe that these branches occur every single moment that there are multiple possibilities, which would result in a nearly infinite number of timelines based off of something as inane as when exactly you took that next bite from your sandwich. This could mean that between two timelines there might be differences so insignificant that they may as well be the same. "Time travel" would then be going back to a certain branching point, thus creating more branches that occur due to your new presence and not really affecting your future in the end as it's still a completely separate time line than the one you are now on. Traveling to a specific future down your timeline would be nearly impossible, as there are an infinite number of futures just depending on how many seconds it took you to activate your time machine, so good luck if you wanted someone to follow you.

2) Considering my first theory, I partially agree with your second one. Choices are a bit of an illusion, but at each branching point you have multiple time lines that follow each of these other choices. Theoretically, every single choice you could've made has been done, but by a different you.

3) Actually, I don't have anything for this as I haven't really thought too much about reincarnation.

EDIT: Apparently, I found that my first theory corresponds very closely to the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. The Wikipedia entry even describes it as "a many-branched tree where every possible quantum outcome is realised."

[mashuga31]

Apr 19, 2010 14:34:51 GMT -5 RabbitWho said:

Hee hee squiggle, none of those are your ideas. You may have had them, but they've been around the block.

If someone comes up with an idea, i still consider it to be theirs. Some laws prevent them from doing things with the idea but their brain came up with it. For example. i came up with the theory of negative matter, related it to time travel and black holes... I didn't know that someone else already thought about those things. So it's my Idea =P

Theory 1: Good point. I had this same theory only reverse, if you went back in time then you would never be able to go back to your own timeline due to the fact that whatever you changed, changes that timeline and you'd just be going into that timeline's future.

Theory 2: I think that everything is pre-determined except for choices. For an example, a give yourself goosebumps book. Everything you read on the pages isn't going to change. What will change is which path you choose. In other words life is just one line that splits into hundreds of millions of different possibilities. Everything is pre-determined, it's up to you to choose which one will happen.

Theory 3: No.

Elaboration: I believe that everything has to be chronological. In other words if you die in 2073 you can only be reborn in 2073 and up. This being said, time travel is unnatural and to accomplish it would be literally hacking into the universe. A great achievement of mankind in my opinion to be able to edit our own programming. We already bought the game, why not tinker with it a little?

[SquiggleTag]

these were all ideas, i dont honestly believe them to be fully accurate (especaily the third) or even true,

but say (and i know you'll say its fiction) on a sci-fi show, a character travels to the future and then goes back to their own time and tries to fix it so that future doesnt happen.

(and thats where i got the time travel one from.)

i cant remember where/how i thought about the others...

oh and thanks for actualy replying to this thread.

[RabbitWho]

Apr 19, 2010 14:55:52 GMT -5 Trey said:

We have some different hypotheses I guess I think that at every time you must make a decision in life, the timeline splits. Whether it's choosing to stay home from school/work, or coming up with an example to write about in a thread post. I think this thesis actually parallels with the scientists' view of the 12 dimensions.

I'm pretty sure that's Hawkings' idea, that there are an infinite number of dimensions and every possibility is played out in one of them. anyone whose idea it is?


(note the punctuation - apostrophe after an S because it's the possessive of a word that always ends in an s. )

Apr 20, 2010 0:04:42 GMT -5 @mashuga31 said:

Apr 19, 2010 14:34:51 GMT -5 RabbitWho said:

Hee hee squiggle, none of those are your ideas. You may have had them, but they've been around the block.

If someone comes up with an idea, i still consider it to be theirs. Some laws prevent them from doing things with the idea but their brain came up with it. For example. i came up with the theory of negative matter, related it to time travel and black holes... I didn't know that someone else already thought about those things. So it's my Idea =P

I would argue that people can't own ideas because ideas are always there and just waiting for people to find them.

If it is possible to own an idea and anyone was going to own the "negative mass" idea it would be the person who proved it, not the person who took two works and squashed them together and said "that exists." and imagined what it might mean.
I shall choose two words off the top of my head.
1. Allegatar
2. Forklift
I could say "alligator forklift" and then imagine what those two words mean together in great detail, it doesn't really mean i have any ownership of that idea unless I actually do something with it.

[DubiousKing]

Apr 20, 2010 9:08:28 GMT -5 RabbitWho said:

I'm pretty sure that's Hawkings' idea, that there are an infinite number of dimensions and every possibility is played out in one of them. anyone whose idea it is?

Check out my post right after Trey's. It's similar to the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics.

[RabbitWho]

Is non-deterministic a scientific way of saying random?

[Trey]

Apr 20, 2010 9:08:28 GMT -5 RabbitWho said:

Apr 19, 2010 14:55:52 GMT -5 Trey said:

We have some different hypotheses I guess I think that at every time you must make a decision in life, the timeline splits. Whether it's choosing to stay home from school/work, or coming up with an example to write about in a thread post. I think this thesis actually parallels with the scientists' view of the 12 dimensions.

I'm pretty sure that's Hawkings' idea, that there are an infinite number of dimensions and every possibility is played out in one of them. anyone whose idea it is?


(note the punctuation - apostrophe after an S because it's the possessive of a word that always ends in an s. )

I hope you're not thinking I stole an idea! I'm just saying I have similar beliefs to many scientists (Such as Stephen Hawking)

An apostrophe after an S because it's the possessive of a word that always ends in an S, or it's the possessive of a plural word that ends in S.

www.meredith.edu/grammar/plural.htm

[DubiousKing]

Apr 20, 2010 11:11:59 GMT -5 RabbitWho said:

Is non-deterministic a scientific way of saying random?

Pretty much