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Post by krzych32 on May 6, 2010 15:15:51 GMT -5
MAN!
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Post by rialvestro on May 6, 2010 15:36:51 GMT -5
I don't understand what the debate is about so how can I pick a side?
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Post by RabbitWho on May 6, 2010 15:38:50 GMT -5
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Post by low on May 6, 2010 17:52:51 GMT -5
Think of planting a seed. The soil has an obvious undeniable effect on the plant, but, either way, the seed is still going to grow the same plant.
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Post by RabbitWho on May 7, 2010 6:49:39 GMT -5
That metaphor falls down so quickly. Of course you'll grow up to be human no matter what environment you grow up in. Plants don't have psychology or a psychologist, that's a whole other factor.
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Post by low on May 7, 2010 15:06:38 GMT -5
That metaphor falls down so quickly. Of course you'll grow up to be human no matter what environment you grow up in. Plants don't have psychology or a psychologist, that's a whole other factor. The metaphor isn't intended to answer complex questions, rather questions of a very definite and simplistic nature: Yes, we have genetics (and different plants have different genetics within the same species, which agricultural engineering has depended on for thousands of years) and yes, plants have conditions that will definitely affect their development.
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Post by rialvestro on May 7, 2010 15:18:55 GMT -5
I still don't know what we're debating about... Could someone explain what each side of the debate is about.
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Post by krzych32 on May 7, 2010 15:22:15 GMT -5
I think that debate is about, nothing, and people who want to see a certain topic here just see it.
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Post by Trey on May 7, 2010 15:42:50 GMT -5
Nature ftw. Natural selection will kill off the weaklings. If I die, it's probably because I'm hindering the evolutionary progress of humans. Good Day
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Post by stephen5000 on May 7, 2010 16:54:27 GMT -5
Typically "nurture vs nature" refers to the dominant effect on people's behaviour. I'm not sure what people are talking about here though.
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Post by brumagem on May 7, 2010 21:31:12 GMT -5
I still don't know what we're debating about... Could someone explain what each side of the debate is about. Nature: What you become is determined at your conception; all your qualities and talents are inherent and your options are finite. Nurture: What you become is determined entirely by the environment from which you are reared; everything you become, you are taught by the world. I know for a fact that neither of these concepts are exclusive. Psychological studies have shown (using identical twin research) that there are qualities that are inherited (intelligence) and others learned from environment (morals).
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Post by rialvestro on May 8, 2010 1:36:49 GMT -5
I still don't know what we're debating about... Could someone explain what each side of the debate is about. Nature: What you become is determined at your conception; all your qualities and talents are inherent and your options are finite. Nurture: What you become is determined entirely by the environment from which you are reared; everything you become, you are taught by the world. I know for a fact that neither of these concepts are exclusive. Psychological studies have shown (using identical twin research) that there are qualities that are inherited (intelligence) and others learned from environment (morals). So what's the debate? Both are true to a point. Like you yourself just said some parts of our personality are inherent from birth others are learned as we grow up. Though I don't really agree with the intelligence vs. morals thing you got going there. Intelligence for one, how we learn in inherent. Some people can't learn from reading a manual and would much prefer hands on experience. Some people are creative thinkers and learn better that way. But however we learn, what we learn is going to change depending on environment. For morals it's the same, our morals are going to develop and change as we get older. Some morals are taught and others we figure out on our own. It's part of learning right from wrong but some times even if it's not taught, you can still feel when something is wrong.
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Post by ibeckie on May 8, 2010 11:03:50 GMT -5
Three parts nurture to one part nature. However, I also beleive that that one part nature can be overridden by nurture in many cases. The child raised by his or her upper class parents and taught to value and respect education but also question the world and be well rounded versus the child of the junkie working class who bunks school and lives in juevie.
That must be nurture.
However, the two sisters of upper class parents. One works hard. One doesn't. The one who works hard will do better. However, it's likely despite not working as hard as the other sister, the less hard working one will still do well because of parent and school pressure which she will listen to because she has been taught to respect the system.
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Post by thejourney on May 8, 2010 21:59:05 GMT -5
i can only talk in my own expierence i am a triplet we all grew up the same way with the exact same enviorment but we all couldnt be more different im a book reader and liberal serious and a little scene, the second is super smart prepy, and my youngest is a skater who doesnt care about anything
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Post by Trey on May 8, 2010 22:17:15 GMT -5
i can only talk in my own expierence i am a triplet we all grew up the same way with the exact same enviorment but we all couldnt be more different im a book reader and liberal serious and a little scene, the second is super smart prepy, and my youngest is a skater who doesnt care about anything You're a triplet? Pics or it didn't happen!
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Post by rialvestro on May 8, 2010 22:19:47 GMT -5
i can only talk in my own expierence i am a triplet we all grew up the same way with the exact same enviorment but we all couldnt be more different im a book reader and liberal serious and a little scene, the second is super smart prepy, and my youngest is a skater who doesnt care about anything I think that's funny that you specified she was the youngest. Your triplets, you're only 15 min. apart, do you really care what order you were born in? On a side note, did your parents ever dress you all alike when you were little and if so how the heck did they tell you apart?
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Post by Helmet on May 9, 2010 12:59:11 GMT -5
Nurture, I've thought of something that I call the Clone Theory.
If Hitler was cloned, and one clone lived like he did in History, and the second one was brought up in a Amish family, both Hitlers would be very different. They're the same person, but they were raised differently, preventing one to have a total hate for a certain religion...
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Post by RandiKthxxx on May 9, 2010 16:04:50 GMT -5
Definitely a mixture of the two.
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Post by rialvestro on May 10, 2010 0:51:11 GMT -5
Nurture, I've thought of something that I call the Clone Theory. If Hitler was cloned, and one clone lived like he did in History, and the second one was brought up in a Amish family, both Hitlers would be very different. They're the same person, but they were raised differently, preventing one to have a total hate for a certain religion... Technically, Hitler was actually the very thing he hated. He was born and raised into a Jewish family and then grew up to hate his own people. So what I think would happen if you had a second Hitler in an Amish family he would grow up to hate the Amish and do the exact same thing but just to the Amish instead of the Jewish. (That may not be entirely accurate depending on the actual reason he turned on his own people but this maybe just how he is by nature.)
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Post by thejourney on May 10, 2010 15:06:30 GMT -5
i can only talk in my own expierence i am a triplet we all grew up the same way with the exact same enviorment but we all couldnt be more different im a book reader and liberal serious and a little scene, the second is super smart prepy, and my youngest is a skater who doesnt care about anything You're a triplet? Pics or it didn't happen! we are fraternal so it wouldn't matter anyway Fraternal means we dont look alike and we are from 3 different eggs
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