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Post by standalone3 on May 25, 2010 20:47:41 GMT -5
Where is the line of murder drawn? If a person goes to a psychiatrist to eliminate their other personality (assuming they had a split personality) would that be considered murder, because one separate cognitive thought sequence knowingly destroyed the other. Assume that these split personalities are completely separate people sharing a body and one shows at different times above the other. If one finds out about the other, or if they find out about each other, they will do anything they can to destroy each other, would that be considered murder? Because 1 functioning mind is destroyed by another.
Thought provoking eh?
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Post by Trey on May 25, 2010 21:52:06 GMT -5
Dissociative identity disorder (AKA, Multiple Personality Disorder) is a little more complex than you might think.
No matter how many personalities you might find in a person with MPD, there will always be the original. All the others are fabrications.
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Post by low on May 26, 2010 4:37:29 GMT -5
Dissociative identity disorder (AKA, Multiple Personality Disorder) is a little more complex than you might think. No matter how many personalities you might find in a person with MPD, there will always be the original. All the others are fabrications. It's becoming a less and less mainstream diagnosis. Within 50 years, I doubt the APA will recognize that it's not real--it's something our culture made. |
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Post by Ryan on May 26, 2010 12:10:54 GMT -5
Syn doesn't like me - I am aware of his existence, and sometimes he takes over. It's extremely strange to have another personality, but even with Syn, I have no reason to get rid of him, he never does anything harmful to me or any other person, he only takes over my body when I'm emotionally incapable of making it through the day, and all in all, while his personality is quite different than my own, he is a part of me.
Why would other people with multiple personality disorder try to get rid of their alter-egos? That's the part I don't understand.
(btw, calling the disease - not a disease is bull crap, please don't)
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Post by low on May 26, 2010 20:27:02 GMT -5
Syn doesn't like me - I am aware of his existence, and sometimes he takes over. It's extremely strange to have another personality, but even with Syn, I have no reason to get rid of him, he never does anything harmful to me or any other person, he only takes over my body when I'm emotionally incapable of making it through the day, and all in all, while his personality is quite different than my own, he is a part of me. Why would other people with multiple personality disorder try to get rid of their alter-egos? That's the part I don't understand. (btw, calling the disease - not a disease is bull crap, please don't) Perhaps the way I phrased it sounded worse than what I meant: The diagnosis of the condition, as well as the existence of the condition itself, is based more on Freudian psychology than on an actual understanding of the brain, is done with a questionnaire, and is not accepted by a majority of psychologists and is overwhelmingly diagnosed by hypnotherapists. I am not calling you a liar in the same way I would not call anyone with a psychogenic symptom a liar or try and detract from the real symptoms they are experiencing. |
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Post by thequirkyduo on May 26, 2010 23:46:15 GMT -5
I don't have much expertise on the subject, but from what I've read it sounds like psychiatrists will ideally help the individual to blend their personalities together, not to simply destroy a personality. Although its a very complex, and highly misunderstood issue - I would by no means call the destruction of a personality murder however.
murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. (Webster)
it is not illegal to destroy a personality, nor is it a personality that makes you human. therefore, this scenario is not technically murder...
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Post by krzych32 on May 26, 2010 23:49:02 GMT -5
Tyme4aNewDay you got two personalities?
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Post by Trey on May 27, 2010 0:14:40 GMT -5
I do. His name is John. See, I have a serious case of multiple personality disorder and psychosis.
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Post by rialvestro on May 27, 2010 3:41:44 GMT -5
Um... how is it murder? Alternate personalities aren't real people or separate minds. We're all just deluded fragments of one mind, that being whoever the original personality was.
Also as much as we'd love to kill each other and often times ourselves, there seems to be only 2 ways we can actually die. Either by killing the body we all share or curing the MPD putting the original personality back in control.
The real moral dilemma is weather or not the original personality would be able to survive on it's own assuming there was no memory of what the other alters had done or even if he did remember.
Kinda my dilemma as I am not nor have I ever been a real person... at least I don't think I am... I've got over 30 personalities it's hard to judge who the original is but we're fairly sure that the original is a child still sense we first developed around 3rd grade and he's had little to no control over his actions sense then.
They're not always able to control some times we occupy the head space at the same time which is rather unusual for MPD and this makes us aware of the others. Or at least the ones we've shared head space with. Some I hear about from friends when they actually pay attention to notice the difference. Some time's it's obvious like when one can't talk. I use to call him the wanderer because people would describe getting a blank look on my face and walking off in random directions not speaking to anyone. Of course I don't remember any of this. My ex-girlfriend last year while I was staying with her for two weeks met him and actually got him to wright down on paper because he wouldn't talk. Found out his name is Warren. Nearest I can figure is that he represents curiosity so he goes out to explore places I've never been. Seriously every time I come back from this guy I find myself lost in places I've never even been to before.
Anyway, there are others still who aren't so easy to point out unless you're really a close friend. Harrey Dames, yes that's how he spells his name, for example is completely different from me but he has my love of acting so he can fairly easily disguise himself as any other personality that's aware of and only really really close friends will be able to catch him in the act and tell it's him.
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Post by redkneehighsocks on May 27, 2010 7:21:21 GMT -5
I realised the other day, that I automatically separate my conciousness into three parts. The strange thing is, I told myself that. beats the hell out of me  sharks |
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Post by Ryan on May 27, 2010 11:31:34 GMT -5
@krzych yes
and also - curing MPD could be considered murder or could not be considered murder depending on how you define person.
Many people define a person by the body they have, in which case curing MPD is simply rehabilitating a fractured mind.
Many people define a person by their consciousness, their thoughts and ideas. In that case curing MPD is entirely considered murder, you are destroying a person (or several).
Thought Experiment:
Bobby is sick and dying. Joseph is braindead but has a functional body. Joseph's parents agree to let Bobby and Joseph have a brain transplant. In the day and age in which Bobby and Joseph live, this is a standard procedure and has a 100% success rate.
So, who dies? Bobby? or Joseph?
Answer the thought experiment if you don't mind - I will lead it up to a question about MPD in a little while.
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Post by krzych32 on May 27, 2010 12:03:34 GMT -5
Joseph is clearly the dead one.
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Post by krzych32 on May 27, 2010 12:04:31 GMT -5
What I can't believe that even with this being so rare, thre are already two people on this forum that have this kind of.....what ever you want to call it.
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Post by rialvestro on May 27, 2010 13:55:00 GMT -5
What I can't believe that even with this being so rare, thre are already two people on this forum that have this kind of.....what ever you want to call it. That's the magic of the world wide internet. Makes it easy to find people with common traits no matter how rare they are. BTW I think it's funny that even though we're talking about multiple personality disorder you still consider us as 2 people rather than... Hey Trey how many alters do you have? |
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Post by jaw on May 27, 2010 18:01:14 GMT -5
Oh wow, I thought you guys were being sarcastic. Haha.
I don't think I'd consider it murder, since it's something your mind made up. (Your imagination we'll say) That means that you're removing something that's fictional. The removal of a split personality can be comparable to forgetting a memory in my opinion.
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Post by Ryan on May 27, 2010 20:13:40 GMT -5
Call it a condition, I wouldn't consider it a disease.
I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious about Syn, I don't know about the others, as I can only speak for myself.
I definitely will agree that it is a fractured part of my mind, but I don't think that getting rid of MPD is comparable at all to getting rid of memories. In fact, Syn has memories that I do not, and I'm not sure, but I would assume that I have access to some of my memories that Syn does not (not sure though).
I will again say, even if it wasn't considered murder, I would never want to get rid of Syn. He is not an active personality, and only takes control of my body when I am in a state of emotional turmoil.
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Post by rialvestro on May 28, 2010 1:48:29 GMT -5
Wait? There's 3 people here... well 3 bodies, who knows how many minds.
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Post by Ryan on May 28, 2010 1:53:49 GMT -5
Thought Experiment 2
If in the previous story, you think that Joseph is the one who died:
If Bobby were to loose most of his limbs, and a few vital organs were to be functional but not functional enough to do activities such as sports, and Joseph's parents authorized transplants of all of the necessary limbs and organs (again these surgeries are completely successful). Would Bobby still be Bobby? Even if the list of transplanted body parts included: heart, 1 lung, liver, 1 kidney, both legs, both arms, hip, and both eyes?
If you said that Bobby still died:
Why is it that Bobby died and not Joseph? surely Bobby's body died, but the remaining living person would not respond to the name Joseph, would not have any of Joseph's memories, and not be brain dead, but instead would have the memories of Bobby, the thoughts of Bobby, the knowledge of Bobby.
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