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Post by mashuga31 on May 28, 2010 10:38:08 GMT -5
Okay so most of you know that chrstians believe that the earth is only 6000 years old.... well it is. Not to us though. God supposedly wrote the bible and in it he put that a day for him is 1000 years for us. That means that when he's writing it he's going to put it in his own time frame. 6000 God years is roughly 2,190,000,000 years for us.
As a side note there is absolutely no way that the Earth is 6000 years old due to the simple fact that the earth ages. The bible is pretty damn old guys, it was written at least 3400 years ago. That means that (for the sake of argument) even if the Earth was only 6000 human years old at that point it would have to be 9600 years old now and Christians are still wrong.
What do you guys think?
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Post by Joey on May 28, 2010 10:39:51 GMT -5
Okay so most of you know that chrstians believe that the earth is only 6000 years old Please change that to MOST christians, and spell it right.
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Post by krzych32 on May 28, 2010 11:31:35 GMT -5
Lets start with the fact that most christians don't believe that the earth is 6000 years old. Believe it or not but for the first part of my life, when I lived in Poland, I never heard about earth being 6000 years old, and Poland is like 90% catholic.
Second, the Bible is not 3400 years old, Jesus was born 2000 years ago so how could the bible be that old? And no one ever said that the God wrote the bible, I dont kow where you are getting you info from.
"As a side note there is absolutely no way that the Earth is 6000 years old due to the simple fact that the earth ages."
You age, so you must be 1000's of years old.
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Post by Ryan on May 28, 2010 11:38:40 GMT -5
Some creationists take the timeline from the bible extremely literally. If one were to do so, the time of adam and eve is 4000 years BC. (At least, I think, I myself cannot understand how people get such a number [and I'm a math major!]).
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Post by Joey on May 28, 2010 11:41:44 GMT -5
Some creationists take the timeline from the bible extremely literally. If one were to do so, the time of adam and eve is 4000 years BC. (At least, I think, I myself cannot understand how people get such a number [and I'm a math major!]). They get that number by adding up all of the generations and how old a person was, but ages in the bible arent specifically earth year ages. Some say that ages in the bible are based off of the wisdom of the person. But if you say they are earth years, then it equals 4000 years, then add the 2010.
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Post by Lex on May 28, 2010 12:20:09 GMT -5
I think that's called Old Earth Creationism, which seems a bit smarter than YEC, but regardless, it's still ridiculous.
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Post by RandiKthxxx on May 28, 2010 13:31:06 GMT -5
Didn't the disciples or someone like that write the Bible?
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Post by Nakor on May 28, 2010 13:50:58 GMT -5
Some handy terms for discussing the topic: Creationism = man was created (roughly) in the form we're in now, along with all existence. No postulation as to when any of this occurred. Creationism is not compatible with evolutionary biology. Young-Earth Creationism = man was created in the form we're in now about 6000 years ago, along with all of existence. YEC is not compatible with either evolutionary biology or geology (or several other fields). Intelligent Design = The universe was created, but the method of creation is undefined and varies between believers. ID is a very vague term that refers to any belief that a god started things off, so deism, theistic evolution and creationism are all forms of ID. ID does not necessarily conflict with any scientific fields, although some versions of it do, however the hypothesis of ID is not scientific in nature (violating Occam's Razor). Anyway, my take on biblical misinterpretations is that the bible is simply too vaguely written in many cases for information to be correctly interpreted in the first place. "God years" doesn't really make sense, because a year is defined as the time it takes for a planet to orbit its star. If the Christian god was not going by Earth years (where his creations were), then no other term "year" makes sense, a different unit of time would be necessitated, but this would be unnecessarily confusing; Earth time would make the most sense to use. The bible should either have been written using Earth time units of the time, or defined the units in question, rather than being needlessly confusing. I imagine that the bible was probably meant to be taken literally back when Genesis was written. People at that time would have no trouble believing the Earth was really created in 7 days as they had no way to know better. RandiKthxxx: If I'm not mistaken, Genesis (along with several other Old Testament books) was supposedly written by Moses.
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Post by Ryan on May 28, 2010 13:54:02 GMT -5
All of the Old testament was written far before Jesus stepped foot on the earth.
It's also called the Torah (or The Old Book or the Good Book)
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Post by RandiKthxxx on May 28, 2010 14:00:07 GMT -5
So then God himself didn't write it, it was Moses
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Post by Nakor on May 28, 2010 14:03:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I double checked and Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy were all written by Moses.
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Post by Ryan on May 28, 2010 14:03:49 GMT -5
God himself has written nothing. Everything in the bible is "The word of God" as interpreted by His prophets (men who hear God's voice).
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Post by RandiKthxxx on May 28, 2010 14:06:20 GMT -5
So then OP needs to make some edits haha
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Post by Alex on May 29, 2010 16:29:45 GMT -5
Hey, for how long has the Earth been 6,000 years old?
Greek Christians: Earth is 6,000 years old.
Roman Christians: Earth is 6,000 years old.
Medieval Christians: Earth is 6,000 years old.
American Colonist Christians: Earth is 6,000 years old.
Some of Today's Christians: Earth is 6,000 years old.
Earth seems like it has been 6,000 forever.
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Post by Cortney on May 29, 2010 16:34:09 GMT -5
It's like when your grandma hits a certain birthday and starts aging backward. The Earth is probably just embarrassed. I would be too if I were billions of years old.
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Post by Ricky on May 29, 2010 16:59:03 GMT -5
Ok so time frames are wrong in the bible because God wrote it and for god a day is 1000 years for us.
(I'll assume you mean god mentioned this to the people who wrote it but failed to announce it in the bible)
So even if this was right and 1 of god's day means 1000 years:
Then would you say that when God said:
"I won't let my life giving breath remain in anyone forever. No one will live for more than one hundred twenty years."
it meant that people can live up to 43,800,000 years?
and on Genesis 7:24 "And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days." (when speaking about the Great flood)
He really means that Noah was able to keep alive two genders of each animal in the world in an ark for about 150,000 years?
or does he just mean it one way when it is convenient for its followers? God really has to start making up his mind about stuff like that xD
what I'm trying to get at is that the logic behind the religion is faulty.
Yes some of the values are nice, such as golden rule. It is nonetheless a mistake when trying to take everything literally and starting to see the bible as anything more than a somewhat interesting book.
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Post by Johncoyne on May 29, 2010 17:03:10 GMT -5
It's like when your grandma hits a certain birthday and starts aging backward. The Earth is probably just embarrassed. I would be too if I were billions of years old. BESTPOSTEVER. But yeah, assuming that all Christians believe that is borderline zombism (New word w00t). I've never met a creationist Catholic. "Never met" are the key words. They may exist.
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Post by Nakor on May 29, 2010 17:34:31 GMT -5
They may, but keep in mind that Catholics recently adopted theistic evolution in place of creationism, making creationism heresy (or whatever they call it). It's still sometimes taught in Catholic schools iirc.
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Post by Joey on May 29, 2010 17:44:44 GMT -5
Theistic Evolution FTW! (Thats what I believe)
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Post by newschooled on May 30, 2010 1:54:36 GMT -5
Don't question. Don't even think. Now just put some money into the collection plate and pass it along.
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