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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on Jun 10, 2010 18:45:41 GMT -5
(This is a continuation of a tangent topic on Crabb90's "Should the United States adopt Universal Healthcare?" thread in the Debate Club section. I figured since we're having such a long debate over nutrition's role in preventing cancer I would create a thread just for it.)
Let's make sure we understand that none of us can be sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt, of what we claim to know since we aren't professionals in the field. I don't want to get into anything too heated.
To the people knew to the discussion, this is my point: From all my time spent studying this, I've found that a healthy diet will keep you free of chronic disease and make you more immune to infectious disease. But what makes a healthy diet is another discussion.
I'd like to know what any of you think of this. And why only one person has considered looking into it, rather than just passing off these contradictory claims as hearsay and nonsensical 'alternative' medicine.
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Post by KipEnyan on Jun 10, 2010 20:44:47 GMT -5
Because this is all hearsay and nonsense alternative medicine. I have already explained to you in thorough detail why your argument is entirely invalid. I don't think there's much room left for debate here.
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on Jun 11, 2010 0:00:26 GMT -5
Because this is all hearsay and nonsense alternative medicine. I have already explained to you in thorough detail why your argument is entirely invalid. I don't think there's much room left for debate here. I seriously misjudged the users on this forum then...
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Post by KipEnyan on Jun 11, 2010 11:23:42 GMT -5
Look, alls I'm saying is you haven't laid forth one veritable fact yet, whereas I have presented quite a few that overwhelmingly refute your undocumented claims.
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Post by Nakor on Jun 11, 2010 11:31:27 GMT -5
Well, you're taking a nearly absolute stance here, Gameboob. Of course we all understand that a better diet will lead to better health, and that in some cases it can even have some small effect on diseases like cancer, yet it is easily demonstrable that some diseases (such as various cancers) are still likely to occur despite the best of diets.
A quick glance through the Canadian Cancer Society web site shows me that they claim the risk factor for up to 35% of cancers can be reduced by nutrition and fitness -- which is to say that the other 65% of cancers are not significantly affected. This does not immunize one, mind you, just helps to some degree. It also adds elsewhere that food additives, preservatives and artificial sweeteners do NOT contribute to cancer. Of course, there is a section on genetics and how genetics does have a strong effect on one's likeliness to get cancer.
Gameboob, you'll find on this forum that most people here are open-minded and try to argue their points as fairly and rationally as possible. You'll also find that we call things as we see them. Neither KipEnyan nor me are trying to be closed-minded, nor are we trying to just kill off your argument. Rather, we look at your argument, do a bit of research, compare it to the evidence we have, and from that we just think that you were wrong; diet and fitness do not guarantee health, only improve it in general and make your odds a little better (and only for some diseases and conditions) as you age.
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Post by KipEnyan on Jun 11, 2010 12:01:26 GMT -5
Thank you, Nakor, I could have never said it better.
Nobody is denying the vital importance of diet. But disease will happen regardless, particularly things like cancer, and that is an inevitable, unarguable fact.
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on Jun 13, 2010 0:03:58 GMT -5
Ok well I will try to provide you guys with good information supporting my claim. But in the mean time what I am basing my point on is that these removed, primitive peoples were free of cancer, heart-disease, obesity, and other degenerative conditions (even cavities). You will not find this information on the gov't websites or in the statistics of certain peoples - like the inuit - of the past 50 or so years.
Now, I think this is some pretty important information so I will try my best to show you the stuff that convinced me, I just need some time.
And if anyone's interested in doing there own studying, take a look at these sources.
- UndergroundWellness on YouTube and BlogTalkRadio.com/iTunes Podcasts - Good Calories, Bad Calories written by Gary Taubes (it has a different title in the UK, I believe) - Nutrition and Physical Degeneration written by Weston Price. - WestonAPrice.org
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Post by KipEnyan on Jun 13, 2010 15:14:05 GMT -5
But regardless of what you're going to present to us, the inherent nature of certain illnesses makes your argument invalid from the get-go.
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on Jun 13, 2010 23:19:43 GMT -5
But regardless of what you're going to present to us, the inherent nature of certain illnesses makes your argument invalid from the get-go. Honestly dude, do you think I'm an idiot? I have a good reason for believing that proper nutrition prevents degenerative diseases, and that's because I've seen the information. Please just let me show you what I've seen before you completely make up your mind.
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on Jun 22, 2010 14:29:08 GMT -5
OK, here's a radio show happening tomorrow, Wednesday June 23. Here's the show info: Patrick Quillin, author of "Beating Cancer with Nutrition", visits Underground Wellness Radio to discuss why it is not enough for cancer patients to receive conventional treatment for the disease; a regimen of good nutrition is essential to improve the quality and quantity of ones life. Topics will include: foods that prevent and reverse cancer, simple ways to reduce your risk of cancer, eating healthy fats, and the war against cancer in America. Learn more about Dr. Quillin at www.patrickquillin.com. www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwellness/2010/06/24/conquering-the-war-against-cancer-with-patrick-quillinI'll be tuning in to this radio show tomorrow, hopefully you'll join me!
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on Jun 24, 2010 20:26:53 GMT -5
Now I feel like I'm just talking to myself but I've found a legitimate website that supports the fact that nutrition plays an important role in treating and preventing cancer, among other diseases. It's appositely named NutritionCancer.com/
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Post by Nakor on Jun 26, 2010 12:01:53 GMT -5
But nobody's arguing against that point. We're arguing that it isn't a perfect defence such as you claimed before. People can still get cancer even with perfect nutrition and fitness.
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