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Post by RandiKthxxx on Aug 6, 2010 15:12:44 GMT -5
Or you could leave...
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Post by Lex on Aug 6, 2010 15:13:24 GMT -5
_nderscore fundamentally misunderstands everything that the USA stands for.
Land of the free, home of the brave indeed....
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Post by _nderscore on Aug 6, 2010 15:18:00 GMT -5
They are free. I don't see what I'm missing. Maybe you've just become too accepting?
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Post by Alex on Aug 6, 2010 15:49:58 GMT -5
No such thing as too accepting. Black people are no different from us besides their skin color. There are as many black murders and blak poor people as white murderers and white poor people. Let's take a look at this link: www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/fugitives.htmNow, unless I am mistaken, I see no black people on that list. Black people can be successful, great people. They can be smart and awesome. Like white people can. They can be stupid and unsuccessful. Like white people can. Racism is illogical, and if you are racist, you are illogical, and if you are illogical, then you should learn how to be logical. And maybe, once you've researched everything you need to, you can come back here and try to redeem yourself.
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Post by krzych32 on Aug 6, 2010 16:01:58 GMT -5
TorterraOats, just to be a smart ass add my 2 cents to this debate. Racism is not illogical, just like sexism or even a nationalis. One groups himself with similar people to advance in society as a group and as a individual, people don't even know they are doing that but this is how human mind works.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 6, 2010 16:05:52 GMT -5
Krzych - what you are speaking of is not racism. Racism is the belief that genetic factors that influence race are determinant of a persons traits and capabilities.
you are speaking of natural segregation where people group together with people who find themselves similar to another in an effort to better the group.
Racism is illogical, racist segregation is illogical, segregation is natural, and is not inherently wrong, and is quite logical.
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Post by Alex on Aug 6, 2010 16:08:14 GMT -5
I don't understand what you are saying. Racism, sexism, nationalism, and whatever other -ism is illogical.
Grouping people together and saying you hate them all because of their skin color or because of 1/100 of them did is definitely not logical. If you think it is, then you are illogical and need some teaching.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 6, 2010 16:27:49 GMT -5
Torterra - Krzych didn't say anything about hating other groups, and racism isn't even about hating other groups, neither is sexism or nationalism. All of these are simply ideologies, and some of them are illogical - others are not. Your argument does not hold any support.
Many racist people do hate, as with many sexist and nationalist people - but hate is not something inherent in the ideology, and shouldn't directly be associated with the ideology.
Also - segregation and group of people based on character traits is natural, and associating traits to groups that formed based on those traits, is perfectly acceptable. The best example of this is High School cliques. Many people group together and share character traits. Have you ever noticed in a school setting that many black people will hang out together? many team members from the different teams will hang out together? many cheerleaders and occasionally a few geeks/nerds will be seen walking together in the halls? These groups form naturally - and it is perfectly acceptable to associate traits to these groups, so long as they are indeed the traits that the group formed with. For example, a soccer clique might have traits like - athletic, fast, and easy going. Cheerleaders may have traits like - blonde, sexy, and naive. Geeks may have the traits of being good with computers and math homework.
So don't be so forward about being against groups - chances are you're in one, and chances are that in many occasions you've treated another group with reactions stemming from traits you associate with that group.
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Post by krzych32 on Aug 6, 2010 16:29:12 GMT -5
Ryan "Sinner" Walker, even if the reasoning for the devision is illogical, the devision itself may be profitable for an individual or a group of people. This is why we have nations and organized religions. As long as there is some kind of a profit to be gained out of the devision, making the devision is not illogical.
TorterraOats, you start your post with "I don't understand what you are saying." and then you counter argue it, you can't do both.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 6, 2010 16:30:37 GMT -5
Apparently you did not read my post thoroughly krzych - I support devision of people into groups, please read again.
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Post by _nderscore on Aug 6, 2010 17:34:09 GMT -5
No such thing as too accepting. If someone can be too ignorant, then you can have too accepting. You can't have one without the other. Should you accept that pedophiles can rape children in public if it would become law?
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Post by Ricky on Aug 6, 2010 17:55:21 GMT -5
To answer your question we accept people not their actions. Therefore We do accept that there are pedophiles, but not that they would be allowed to rape children. We realize that they have a problem and must be helped.
In the case of your argument this type of logic would be flawed as it has been proven by science that people from all races are the same mentally and therefore capable of the same actions.
The reasons why you might think otherwise is because of secondary sources such as racism, cultural dominance, and stereotyping.
Also, i'm begging to think it might be lack of education and low parental guidance
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Post by 4iner on Aug 6, 2010 18:21:59 GMT -5
In the case of your argument this type of logic would be flawed as it has been proven by science that people from all races are the same mentally and therefore capable of the same actions. I would be interested in reading the scientific study, Ricky. I saw a table once that had the average IQ of people from a bunch of different countries. Mongolia is a poor and somewhat undeveloped country, yet has a higher average IQ than countries such as France and the US. This would seem on the surface to show that Mongolians are more genetically intelligent on average than people from the US, although there could of course be other reasons for the apparent difference.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 6, 2010 18:38:12 GMT -5
IQ is not an accurate measure of intelligence - please see the Intelligence of the Moon thread for more info.
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Post by Joey on Aug 6, 2010 21:53:57 GMT -5
Damn. I wish sometimes we all could be blind. Not judge on looks.
_nderscore, whats your favorite color?(I am seriously going somewhere with this.)
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Post by cooltiger413 on Aug 6, 2010 21:57:34 GMT -5
Guys, he's trolling you, stop replying, its the only way to stop it!
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Post by _nderscore on Aug 6, 2010 22:34:23 GMT -5
Damn. I wish sometimes we all could be blind. Not judge on looks. _nderscore, whats your favorite color?(I am seriously going somewhere with this.) Orange
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Post by Joey on Aug 6, 2010 23:04:06 GMT -5
Damn. I wish sometimes we all could be blind. Not judge on looks. _nderscore, whats your favorite color?(I am seriously going somewhere with this.) Orange Do you like green?
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Post by krzych32 on Aug 6, 2010 23:14:47 GMT -5
Apparently you did not read my post thoroughly krzych - I support devision of people into groups, please read again. Its coz I was writing when you posted.
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Post by _nderscore on Aug 6, 2010 23:15:07 GMT -5
It's not on the top of the list, but I don't hate green.
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