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Nov 10, 2010 19:11:28 GMT -5
Post by Ricky on Nov 10, 2010 19:11:28 GMT -5
No, I don't think prayer works.
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mhart29
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Nov 10, 2010 20:20:00 GMT -5
Post by mhart29 on Nov 10, 2010 20:20:00 GMT -5
well i dont belive in any of that go happy god stuff so ya
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Nov 11, 2010 3:19:01 GMT -5
Post by rialvestro on Nov 11, 2010 3:19:01 GMT -5
There is actually some rather obvious proof that prayers do not work but by the logic of the religious people does not actually prove weather or not God exists. It simply proves that weather or not you believe in God it's obvious that prayers mean nothing.
Here's the logic. People pray and they may or may not get what they pray for. The religious reasoning for this is that God has a plan for everyone and when we don't get something we pray for it's because it's not part of his plan. By that simple logic there's no point in praying at all even if God does exist because by that logic God is just going to do whatever the heck fits his own plan and not what you ask for. If what you want fits his plan you would of gotten it without ever praying for it.
On the logic that God doesn't exist it's plain to see that it's just coincidence and/or your own hard work that earns you what you asked for and not some unseen, unheard, magical being who gets the credit for it anyway.
Whatever the case may be, believe in God or not, your prayers do not matter. If they did matter to a God that existed then you'd always get what you pray for but you don't so why bother?
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Nov 19, 2010 22:37:50 GMT -5
Post by hobo8675309 on Nov 19, 2010 22:37:50 GMT -5
Well, from the perspective of the Society of Friends (yeah yeah, quakers), prayer works, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you will achieve what you pray for, it means that you will earn what is deserved, and praying is a spiritual ritual that counts towards God granting you what will make you happy (not to be confused with what you want, which is often very different than what is best for you).
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Nov 20, 2010 12:42:00 GMT -5
Post by Joey on Nov 20, 2010 12:42:00 GMT -5
There is actually some rather obvious proof that prayers do not work but by the logic of the religious people does not actually prove weather or not God exists. It simply proves that weather or not you believe in God it's obvious that prayers mean nothing. Here's the logic. People pray and they may or may not get what they pray for. The religious reasoning for this is that God has a plan for everyone and when we don't get something we pray for it's because it's not part of his plan. By that simple logic there's no point in praying at all even if God does exist because by that logic God is just going to do whatever the heck fits his own plan and not what you ask for. If what you want fits his plan you would of gotten it without ever praying for it. On the logic that God doesn't exist it's plain to see that it's just coincidence and/or your own hard work that earns you what you asked for and not some unseen, unheard, magical being who gets the credit for it anyway. Whatever the case may be, believe in God or not, your prayers do not matter. If they did matter to a God that existed then you'd always get what you pray for but you don't so why bother? But Prayer isnt just asking for something people jeez! As a Catholic I pray alot, and we are taught that it is a way to talk to God, to thank him, and praise him, not just to ask for stuff, which it sounds like you guys assume it is. It is a way to say "God, thanks for everything, and I praise you and love you." and yes I pray for stuff I want, but not like the newest xbox game. I pray for people, friends, family, and for anything really. In that sense, God will already know whats going to happen, but you dont just go to your parents and say, "I know what your getting me for christmas so give me it now." Its a formal way of asking God for something.
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Nov 20, 2010 12:45:23 GMT -5
Post by Raydawn on Nov 20, 2010 12:45:23 GMT -5
But Prayer isnt just asking for something! (...) Its a formal way of asking God for something.
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Nov 20, 2010 17:43:36 GMT -5
Post by Joey on Nov 20, 2010 17:43:36 GMT -5
But Prayer isnt just asking for something! (...) Its a formal way of asking God for something. And that, my friend, is called taking something out of context. An attempt to make one seem stupid by having them contradict themselves, but it shows one has no skill in reading a whole paragraph. Please re read and figure out what I meant.
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Nov 21, 2010 3:30:07 GMT -5
Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 21, 2010 3:30:07 GMT -5
I'd say I mostly agree with the OP.This conversation largely relies on our definition of prayer, and what the proposed goal of said prayer is supposed to be.
On a side note, I've noticed time and time again people who like to tell us about science seem to be some of the most overtly scientifically illiterate. It's really a shame.
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Quinn
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Nov 21, 2010 11:54:36 GMT -5
Post by Quinn on Nov 21, 2010 11:54:36 GMT -5
I agree w/ you 100 percent.
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Nov 21, 2010 14:20:02 GMT -5
Post by low on Nov 21, 2010 14:20:02 GMT -5
Here's my opinion: Yes. BUT not in a theistic methodology. I think of it this way: Thoughts are electrical impulses in our brains. Ergo, energy. Long story short, prayer is sending that energy outward into the universe...And thus, the universe reacts (or doesn't react) accordingly. However, others may believe that prayer means telepathically communicating with a self aware caucasian bearded man who lives on a cloud. Regardless...U think it WORKS? ...Yeah, that's naive, Rhonda Byrne type thinking. You're thinking the leftover magnetic fields from the ion channel activity in the brain has enough magnitude to register, let alone be interpreted by something? There would have to be an organism or antenna evolved or designed specifically for picking up attoscopically (microscopically isn't small enough) small signals and interpreting meanings using only that residual force, provided the environment had absolutely no other electromagnetic interference, which is mega unlikely. I hope you meant it satirically. Believing in god, while illogical, can at least have the rationality of "God is magic and therefore can do things that are otherwise physically impossible." Just so you know, The Secret and its "Law of Attraction" are based on this idea of "making a request to the universe," to which I suggest watching this. There is a very simple explanation that does make perfect sense and doesn't rely on supernatural powers: If you want something, you can work to it, if you're good to others, others are more likely to be good to you, and if you tell someone something you want then they just might help you achieve it. I feel as though too many kids grow up in houses where their parents hear them praying about what things they want, then end up getting them, believing the prayer worked, and never developing enough curiosity to find the real force at hand.
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Nov 21, 2010 16:14:45 GMT -5
Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 21, 2010 16:14:45 GMT -5
The law attraction as I understand it, is merely "like attracts like" it has nothing to do with requests. There isn't even anything supernatural about it. It's how some people have come to understand our world.
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Nov 21, 2010 18:14:42 GMT -5
Post by Lex on Nov 21, 2010 18:14:42 GMT -5
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Nov 21, 2010 20:42:16 GMT -5
Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 21, 2010 20:42:16 GMT -5
I'm a fan of coughlan though I wish you would have posted something...more to the point. my questions are thus 1) Where did he get these rules? 2) Are these presupposed to be universal rules, or are their particular contexts? 3) Are these the working definitions used by people who claim to beleive in the "law of attraction?" if so what people? Are they the majority, or only a small group? Are they mistaking? if so does that really mean a variant on the concept couldn't be closer to the truth? 4) Are these arguments universal, or do they only address this man's scam? This video, while interesting, tap danced right into unnecessaryland. prayer and the law of attraction, though can be conceptualized under certain united thoreys to have similar proprieties or operating systems, are not in fact conceptually related and coughlan was working from incorrect or non-universal information
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Nov 21, 2010 21:32:29 GMT -5
Post by Lex on Nov 21, 2010 21:32:29 GMT -5
The point is: it's unrealistic and absolute baloney. IMHO
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Nov 21, 2010 21:39:56 GMT -5
Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 21, 2010 21:39:56 GMT -5
The point is: it's unrealistic and absolute baloney. IMHO Okay. *gives cookie* ^_^
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Xen
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Nov 21, 2010 21:49:28 GMT -5
Post by Xen on Nov 21, 2010 21:49:28 GMT -5
Well, i dont know if it works but it does make you feel better after praying for something, even if it comes true or not
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Nov 21, 2010 21:56:23 GMT -5
Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 21, 2010 21:56:23 GMT -5
Well, i dont know if it works but it does make you feel better after praying for something, even if it comes true or not I find I much agree with utilitarian views. if something causes utility, that is, if it helps you in your life. The truth of the matter becomes much less relevant.
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Nov 27, 2010 18:26:36 GMT -5
Post by nicolii on Nov 27, 2010 18:26:36 GMT -5
There is always the possibility that what people consider to be "miracles" are not results of prayer but simply coincidence... However, I also believe in the possibility that prayer is not asking a man in a cloud for things as many people assume, but it is instead a result of a bunch of people's spirits coming together to make miracles happen.
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Nov 28, 2010 1:12:42 GMT -5
Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 28, 2010 1:12:42 GMT -5
There is always the possibility that what people consider to be "miracles" are not results of prayer but simply coincidence... However, I also believe in the possibility that prayer is not asking a man in a cloud for things as many people assume, but it is instead a result of a bunch of people's spirits coming together to make miracles happen. in other words collective consciousness causing a single goal to come together such as with "prayer" or witchcraft. I guess I the reasoning behind that.
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Dec 4, 2010 21:26:12 GMT -5
Post by marypo on Dec 4, 2010 21:26:12 GMT -5
My life has not gotten worse since I stopped praying, if anything it has gotten better because I am not wasting energy praying instead of doing.
I realize this is not proof by any means but there is no way to prove or disprove it. In my opinion there is no debate here.
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