mhart29
Moon
rubik domination
Posts: 182
|
Post by mhart29 on Nov 11, 2010 14:04:50 GMT -5
How do you think school should be thought like how on the vlogbrothers it said that all word problems should be life and death do you agree and what are some ideas you have.
|
|
|
Post by amon91 on Nov 12, 2010 18:58:45 GMT -5
I think school curriculums should be more adjusted to the interests and strengths of the age group they're aimed at. School failure is mostly caused by a huge lack of interest, and while of course discipline should be enforced, it's up to teachers to do their part as well in order to motivate their students.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2010 19:28:32 GMT -5
It's late, and I'm sleepy, so I'll simply drop this YouTube video (I might or might not say something more tomorrow):
|
|
|
Post by SwimFellow on Nov 12, 2010 23:51:10 GMT -5
Didn't Dan Brown do a video on this same subject? I agree with most of it.
|
|
|
Post by Lex on Nov 12, 2010 23:57:04 GMT -5
Didn't Dan Brown do a video on this same subject? I agree with most of it. To which Thunderf00t raged. Which was the video that made me start to dislike Thunderf00t (disregarding his anti-Muslim tirades of late).
|
|
|
Post by SwimFellow on Nov 13, 2010 0:00:12 GMT -5
What really started to annoy me with Thunderf00t was when he started included the Simpsons reference (it was funny, the one where the cheerleader was replaced by a younger cheerleader) and then started comparing Dan to Glenn Beck. They look similar! THEY MUST BE THE SAME!
|
|
|
Post by rialvestro on Nov 13, 2010 6:10:34 GMT -5
I actually think that all school from Kindergarten to High School should work the same way as College schools. Not that you have to pay for it, I think school should be free. But in that you can set your own schedule and pick classes that apply to a career path you think you want to take. Now the difference with this kind of thing is that the parent has to be the one to make sure the kid actually sticks to their classes but this shouldn't be too terribly hard if they're doing something they truly love. Of course there will be course changes as the kid grows up, but this should be encouraged... to a point. Just follow these simple rules. 1. First try to allow a child to choose a course of their own. 2. If nothing is chosen within a set time period then parent can step in and choose for them. 3. Don't change classes any more than the child asks for it. You want to shoot for changing classing less then they ask. In other words if the child likes their classes and stays with it then don't bother changing but if they ask for something new after only a week it's better to make them stick it out a little longer. Basically just make a rule that they can only change classes at the end of a semester, the time that report cards come in, and don't force them to change classes if they don't want to. I think if we followed this kind of guide line it would allow for kids to try different things and find what they like and they when they do find it they need much if any encouragement to keep working at it. Of course basic things will still be taught no matter what. Reading, writing, math, stuff that you need in every day life. But stuff you'll never use in the real world unless it specifically involves your line of work like for example, there's no reason to take wood shop unless you plan on being a carpenter or architect but if you're an actor or a chief then wood shop is a complete waist of time. BTW cooking is a skill that everyone should learn at least to some extent because it kinda sucks to be alone and hungry. And believe it or not, my aunts room mate doesn't even know how to use a toaster... yeah the one thing in a kitchen that even 5 year olds can use safely and I know a woman who's in her 50s and still doesn't know how a toaster works. And she doesn't even have the excuse of being mentally challenged either, she's just stupid. My brother is mentally challenged and even he can work a toaster. It's not that hard, to work something that only has one button. Push it down and wait for it to pop up, how hard is that to understand? Anyway... the choose your own schedule thing isn't just about classes but about the time of day you actually need to do school work. I'm an insomniac so it was always near impossible for me to wake up at 6 am to get ready for school because that's the time my body naturally wants to go to sleep. I was always tired during school hours and often times actually fell asleep during school, usually after lunch. There's been several times where I've woken up in a class room surrounded by students who weren't even in my class. I'm not sure why exactly the teachers always seemed to wait till the end of the school day to wake me up. Anyway... high school I did the same thing despite at that time I was able to drink coffee every morning before class and still did not wake me up. So anyway... it would've actually been very helpful to me when I was going threw school if I could just start my classes whenever my body naturally decided to wake up rather than having to force myself to get up at 6 am. That's just too damn early. And I don't believe in home work. Kids already spend 8 hours a day in school which is the same as a normal work day so home work shouldn't be added on top of that. Some kids don't even get home till nearly 6 pm and are given 2 hours worth of home work to do so by the time they finish school it's time to go to bed. This wasn't me personally but a friend of mine in school. His bus stop was the last stop of the bus so by the time we got to his house it was already after 6pm. I got home around 4:30 as the ride to my stop was only like 15 min. plus the walk to my house from the bus stop. And for someone who basically only has free time one the weekend working from home would and not having more then 8 hours work would be beneficial as well. Of course today kids have even more home work then when I was in school. I've seen kids doing home work over the weekend and over summer vacation. Teachers giving home work on a Friday to do over the weekend happened rarely, if at all and always by teachers who shouldn't even be teaching in the first place. (most of them were fired except one who oddly was worse then the ones who were.) And getting home work from next years teachers was COMPLETELY unheard of. I never even met any of my teachers till the school year actually started so there was no way they could of given me home work yet kids today apparently start working for next year over the summer vacation. I have no idea when kids find free time anymore. Home work should be a violation of child labor laws. School should only be 8 hours 5 days a week with at least 2 weeks vacation time in the summer and Holidays not 16 hours 7 days a week all year round.
|
|
|
Post by Rogers91 on Nov 16, 2010 1:34:50 GMT -5
It's late, and I'm sleepy, so I'll simply drop this YouTube video (I might or might not say something more tomorrow): if you havent watched this video then do it now... then think why is the school system so institutionalized... then ask why is it that kids eat the same food that prisoners do and are in buildings designed by the same people that designe our prisons.. then ask your self why childeren hate school and feel like its a prison... right now as it stands school is more or less a place to wait for adult hood and learn a few small things that might help increase the number of random facts you can spout off. now i am assumeing we are mostly talking of american education or at least i am because i donjt know the first thing of any other system. so here are a few key points to why i hated school as a kid.. 1 the structure. the constant flow of never ending work to be done as if my entire day and life would be spent doing the same thing over and over. 2 the lack of truly knowledgeable and happy teachers.. the fact that every person who sat at the teachers desk was not really in the mood to be there anymore than the students and the lack of knowledge most of them had. 3. no motivation.. by this i mean that there where no other reasons to be at school for me other than the social contact. they attempted to stress and scare the students into submission but for the most part there was no guaranteed pay off for graduating with honors over minimal effort. 4 lowered standards. the day no the second i was informed that the no child eft behind act was passed I decided that I truly do not need to try to pass. it would just come weather i wanted or not all i really had to do was show up and half ass some of the work and test and i would be guaranteed a peice of paper saying i am smart. 5 the lack of practicle application of the work being studied. just about half of the topics subjects and matters i was forced to learn will never be used in every day life. 6 the sheer boredom found when being in a building doing nothing of particular intrest for 6 hours. 7 the shoty rules and regulations that where so resticting that even a simple mistake could lead to a week of suspension. so what should be changed.. wel first off standardization should be pulled from the school mandate and disallowed for every time you take a multiple choice test you are encouraged to guess and give up on hard questions. second age does not define you intelegents. third a raised bar that keeps the work challangeing and entertaining. the ability to choose what subjects you want when you want them. value for your education. makeing the diploma at the end of the tunnel something more than a steping stone to the next diploma. schools are built to control the masses and are more like a conditioning station for every single child in the country. we program the childeren of the world to be ready for there full time crap hourly wage job.
|
|
|
Post by amon91 on Nov 16, 2010 18:40:13 GMT -5
The bottom line is suspending/expelling students won't do any good. Students are minors, when they do something wrong they definitely have a poor familiar background. If they have a poor familiar background the worst thing you can do is send them home.
Kids aren't criminals, they need help.
|
|
|
Post by rialvestro on Nov 16, 2010 23:01:28 GMT -5
The bottom line is suspending/expelling students won't do any good. Students are minors, when they do something wrong they definitely have a poor familiar background. If they have a poor familiar background the worst thing you can do is send them home. Kids aren't criminals, they need help. Actually kids are given warnings before steps like that are taken. Detentions are the most common punishment for schools and this can be taken either during break like lunch time or after school. (You still get lunch but you have to go to the detention room as soon as as you finish eating.) The only reason I know this is because I think it was my 4th grade teacher, wrote me a detention. She claimed I was being racist against the Irish. All I did was speak in an Irish Accent on St. Patrick's Day and I am part Irish so technically she was being racist.
|
|
|
Post by Rogers91 on Nov 16, 2010 23:31:34 GMT -5
they actualy dont use detention in high schools very often.. middle schools still use it but it is still not enough.
|
|
|
Post by rialvestro on Nov 17, 2010 11:16:50 GMT -5
they actualy dont use detention in high schools very often.. middle schools still use it but it is still not enough. What are you talking about? All schools still use detention. I didn't do this for my detention in elementary school because it never occurred to me till later to fight it but in high school I was given a detention for skipping class which I never served. The way my high school handed things was that if you're 17 or younger you need a note from a parent which the principal then has to approve before you can get out of class sick or for work. When you turn 18 you can do this yourself however you still need doctors notes and work schedules. At the time I was just starting in a new job and I had to leave school at lunch missing my last two classes for the day. My job actually got me extra credit for one of the classes I was missing sense 5th period was Advanced Drama and I was working in Theater. Anyway, I took my work schedule in and showed it to the principal, he cleared my absence for the days I had to work. Now if you ditch a class without clearing the absence for a legitimate reason like I did you get a phone call to your house the night of the missed class and a after school detention the next day that has to be served by the end of the week. Of course even though I had followed the rules I still got the phone call and detention and just never served them. Working in theater I work by contract so once a show ends I'm out of a job till the next one starts. Well I got hired for a couple other shows at the same theater after this and with all the trouble I went threw the first time I didn't bother to clear anything and just left school when I needed to. This could of prevented me from graduating except that my dad works at the school and I kept all my work schedules so all the unserved detentions were cleared from my record. Anyway, the only way a high school would ever expel or suspend anyone from school without ever giving them a detention is if they broke the law. Breaking school rules is just a detention unless you do it ALLOT and ignore all the warnings they give. Break the law though and they won't look the other way. The high school I went two was actually split into two different schools. The main school which was open campus and Casina High School which has their own campus, their own mascot, and a different name but is actually still part of the same school system. Casina is a closed campus, there's a gate around it and it's where they send all the troubled teenagers. The odd thing about it is that Casina also shares it's campus with a pre-school and cosmetology students from the normal school have to go up there for classes. The college also holds night classes there in the portables. The main building, refereed to as the dome looks like the white house from the outside.
|
|
|
Post by amon91 on Nov 17, 2010 16:25:20 GMT -5
The bottom line is suspending/expelling students won't do any good. Students are minors, when they do something wrong they definitely have a poor familiar background. If they have a poor familiar background the worst thing you can do is send them home. Kids aren't criminals, they need help. Actually kids are given warnings before steps like that are taken. Detentions are the most common punishment for schools and this can be taken either during break like lunch time or after school. (You still get lunch but you have to go to the detention room as soon as as you finish eating.) The only reason I know this is because I think it was my 4th grade teacher, wrote me a detention. She claimed I was being racist against the Irish. All I did was speak in an Irish Accent on St. Patrick's Day and I am part Irish so technically she was being racist. Detention by itself is alright, I support it in some scenarios. Expelling or suspending on the other hand, if you think about it, is the complete opposite of keeping a child at school for longer so they can think about what they've done. Leaving a kid in a potential troubled household for a few days will make matters worse, not better.
|
|
|
Post by Rogers91 on Nov 17, 2010 17:35:50 GMT -5
the problem is kids dont wnat to be there and with good reason.. they are forced for one and most of the schools are much like a prison... why on earth would a human willingly go to prison for 6 hours or so a day...
detention was used but i served more saturday school than anything else for even the smallest offence i was stuck in school at 8 am for 4 hours on a saturday it sucked but i got to do my class work so ohh well...
detention wasnt used in my school system very much they would usualy give three warnings and then in school suspnesion.. which was stupid as well.. it is actualy like the hole in a prison system locked away and guarded in a dark box away from everyone..
OSS was a last resort usualy used when violence was put forth... they would do anything to keep you at school longer and more.. after school detention was used a bit but skiped often...
the problem is that school as it is now is prison with some learning and the chance to leave for a few hours a day and on weekends...
and dont get me started on the americanized college and higher eduaction system that puts students in massive debt by the age of 21 with not even a guarantee that the career path you choose will be available when you grauduate... why is the rest of the world so much more intelelgent and proper compared to US...
I hate the broken system people are so damn content with..
|
|
|
Post by rialvestro on Nov 17, 2010 21:48:46 GMT -5
I think the real problem with suspensions and expulsions is that it rewards kids for doing bad things. I mean kids hate school and if you're told "If you do this bad thing again then you can't come to school here anymore." How is that suppose to be a punishment?
I don't really blame bad homes for it because if the kid was in a bad home they would want to stay in school. My dad worked nights and I hated my mother, going home meant having to be alone with my mom.
There were times when I didn't try to get in trouble or anything but rather than going home I stayed after school or went over to friends houses, without permission. That's really the most trouble I ever really got into because I knew my mom would never let me leave the house on a school night and that was the only time I ever wanted to leave the house.
|
|