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Post by rialvestro on Nov 20, 2010 13:19:12 GMT -5
Now, why a person thinks certain thoughts, has yet to be explained scientifically or biologically. There is currently no explanation as to why the chemical reactions in the brain change from person to person and why some people have crazy ideas or can come up with new inventions. This part is usually referred to as consciousness since it changes from person to person, and while its product can be studied (thoughts and memories) we have yet to find a good explanation for it (unless someone can cite a source, I have yet to find anything). If any part of us could live on it would be this part. Now you're starting to get some where. Oh look a road block.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 20, 2010 13:55:52 GMT -5
^ that post is neither helpful, nor hurtful. It doesn't even make sense. - care to elaborate?
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Post by rialvestro on Nov 20, 2010 18:21:33 GMT -5
^ that post is neither helpful, nor hurtful. It doesn't even make sense. - care to elaborate? It wasn't meant to be hurtful but it was helpful in a very subtle way. Exactly why doesn't it make sense, you wrote it, I just quoted so you elaborate.
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Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Nov 20, 2010 19:26:31 GMT -5
Yeah, but you also added comments of your own, so I think he was talking about that. Please elaborate (where was he getting at according to you, and why would that last sentence be a "road block"?)
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Post by krzych32 on Nov 21, 2010 0:14:46 GMT -5
^ that post is neither helpful, nor hurtful. It doesn't even make sense. - care to elaborate? It wasn't meant to be hurtful but it was helpful in a very subtle way. Exactly why doesn't it make sense, you wrote it, I just quoted so you elaborate. Bam!
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Post by newschooled on Nov 21, 2010 1:44:45 GMT -5
Stalled thread is stalled.
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Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 21, 2010 2:23:07 GMT -5
As a philosophy major and hell as a wizard. I have to say "anything is possible" that being said I can't claim to have knowledge or even make a valid guess. it's something I still need to sort out for myself.
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Post by rialvestro on Nov 21, 2010 14:09:27 GMT -5
where was he getting at according to you, and why would that last sentence be a "road block"? The first comment. I don't claim to know what the answer is but I know there is an answer. I think he was getting close to an answer with the first quote. Second comment. With all unknown questions when looking for answers you come up to road blocks. This is obviously one of them. He seems set on the idea that dead is dead but there's something he must be overlooking and he's not going to find it till he can work past this closed minded thinking. Here's an idea to think about. With a computer, if your hard drive fries, then data is not entirely lost. It could be lost but any intelligent person knows to save back up files on a separate device just in case this were to happen. So if memory in a human brain is stored in the physical brain or hard drive what's to say that our brains don't have a way to save back up files in a non-physical energy form that gets automatically ejected from our physical bodies once we die? It could work like uploading YouTube videos. The original file might be deleted from your hard drive but it still exists over the internet. Now I'm not saying that there's an internet that connects our minds together like it connects computers together. Just that it might actually be possible to leave our physical bodies maybe even without being dead. It's something called Astra Projection if your spirit leaves the body while it's still alive. Now I don't think the Astra Projection thing is possible but theoretically it could be. I mean I can't think of any reason we should be confined to these physical bodies but I've never figured out how to do it. To put it simply, all myths have some basis in fact. Did you know the stories about giants have been greatly exaggerated over the years to unbelievable proportions. In reality, giants were considered to be any person over 6 feet tall, something we would not call giant by today's standards. It's more of an insult than a mythological creature.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 21, 2010 15:32:29 GMT -5
Astral* projection btw
you should be more careful with your blanketing statements ("all this" or "no that"). Not all myths have basis in fact. Most myths however do. An example of a myth that has no basis in any facts would be any creation myths. These myths were thought of and told long before any human had any idea of what could have happenened prior to their existence.
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Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 21, 2010 15:37:02 GMT -5
Astral* projection btw you should be more careful with your blanketing statements ("all this" or "no that"). Not all myths have basis in fact. Most myths however do. An example of a myth that has no basis in any facts would be any creation myths. These myths were thought of and told long before any human had any idea of what could have happenened prior to their existence. that's not entirely true. some creation myths have basis in reality or at least elements that allude to scientific formation of the universe. The most often used one that is near universal is the proposal of chaos proceeding order. but if you wish to examine a myth that has a lot in common with science look at the Greek Creation Myth
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Post by rialvestro on Nov 21, 2010 18:07:27 GMT -5
I think the creation myth is just another exaggeration of a different myth.
The myth about Giants for example. Obviously no one has ever existed who was over 50 feet tall, this is an exaggeration. But Giants did, and do exist.
The story about Santa Claws while it's mostly made up now, there was a real Santa Claws many many years ago but he didn't have elves, magic flying raindear, or deliver toys to children all around the world. He did however make toys for a small village of children where it was illegal to have toys. Some how that story got warped into the existence of Santa Claws.
Personally, I don't believe there is really a God but there could be something or someone people who first started the first religion had mistaken as a God but is more likely just another mortal like the rest of us.
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Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 21, 2010 18:26:53 GMT -5
I think there reasons people beleive things. and sometimes, their good reasons. I don't know if there is a god or what exactly the god phenomena is (whether it be literal or not) but I'm open and interested in learning. I'd rather say I don't know then be then act like an authority, tell people science has the answer while proving myself to not be a reliable source to be talking to about science...EVER
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Post by Ryan on Nov 21, 2010 23:05:07 GMT -5
While creation myths may have metaphorical ties to fact (i.e. certain elements of the myth, that in modern times can be metaphorically associated with fact), the myth is not BASED in fact. This is sufficient evidence that not all myths are based in fact, and therefore, it is possible that many myths do not. You therefore cannot take a myth and say, it is possible that some part of this is true. While it is possible that part of it may be true, that does not imply that any truth actually exists.
But, none of this is actually relevant to the actual discussion at hand.
In regards to rialvestro, you're original response to my post (the one at the top of page 6 [in case this post gets moved to page 7, I cannot say 'this page']), what I post is a direct allusion to my previous post in which you said I reached outlandish conclusions...just pointing that out.
In my previous post, I basically presented Aristotle's view on the afterlife, with a little bit of my own views added into it. So it's not complete cockamamie, and it's actually something that those who really ask this question and take the question seriously should look into. The question about what happens after death has been asked for many years, and while almost all religions have explanations, most philosophers have better reasons. So for those actually interested in the topic I would strongly suggest looking up different philosophers arguments relating to the subject.
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Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 23, 2010 23:31:21 GMT -5
Since we left the original topic, I'm not going to reply on the back and fourth we had going, but I get a sinking feeling points were severely missed.
does anyone else have any input about the notion of an afterlife?
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Post by megapplepc on Dec 5, 2010 19:35:32 GMT -5
afterlife is rotting..and fossilization... yes there are layers to it....soil
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Post by 0netnet0 on Jan 22, 2011 16:52:54 GMT -5
The "afterlife" is the human's way of avoiding the fear of the unknown - death. 'Nuff said.
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Post by Ryan on Jan 22, 2011 23:34:18 GMT -5
The afterlife is this post returning from the grave.
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Post by Captain Giggle Squash on Jan 23, 2011 12:53:08 GMT -5
I believe that (I watch a lot of Stargate I know) that when we "die" we will really just ascend to a higher plane of existence. And occasionally people in this higher plane visit places they were on that lower plane and sometimes accidentally show themselves where we perceive them as ghosts.
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Post by austkyzor on Jan 27, 2011 21:46:31 GMT -5
You know what? Cortney was wrong - you totally live on in your farts
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Post by ryan on Jan 28, 2011 12:39:20 GMT -5
i dont believe in an afterlife...4 reasons above...we r only biological machines
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