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Post by Joey on Nov 24, 2010 22:53:07 GMT -5
Um... huh. So apparently any collection of mythology in a book should have a disclaimer saying it's fiction? I don't honestly see how anyone could see that as a complete and intelligent thought... I don't see why it should be necessary to have to have a disclaimer on the Da Vinchi code book or film... perhaps I think too highly of people. o.o' I think people should be able to understand that its fiction. I think that no one believes that a magical student named Harry goes to a magical school, but the church dosent undestand that we know its fiction, we arent about to start worshiping it. Same with the Da Vinci code.
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Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 24, 2010 23:58:56 GMT -5
Um... huh. So apparently any collection of mythology in a book should have a disclaimer saying it's fiction? I don't honestly see how anyone could see that as a complete and intelligent thought... I don't see why it should be necessary to have to have a disclaimer on the Da Vinchi code book or film... perhaps I think too highly of people. o.o' I think people should be able to understand that its fiction. I think that no one believes that a magical student named Harry goes to a magical school, but the church dosent undestand that we know its fiction, we arent about to start worshiping it. Same with the Da Vinci code. It doesn't seem to me that the church is pushing this idiocy. But I guess your saying it's those sorts of people who need it. I don't know. x.x
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Post by newschooled on Nov 25, 2010 0:44:39 GMT -5
Same with the Da Vinci code. HEY Watch your mouth. I'm a FreeMason. AAAAAAAAAAAye Kid, (well, not about the Mason part...) But srsly...There are like A LOT of people who believe every word of the Bible is literal truth. Many of my family members do, and when conversations turn to philosophy...It can get rather frustrating! A certain family member who we'll just call "Tina" is famous for LITERALLY plugging her ears and singing "LA LA LA LA LA" every time a discussion about religion starts to get intense!
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Post by Flappy on Nov 25, 2010 9:00:44 GMT -5
I think people should be able to understand that its fiction. I think that no one believes that a magical student named Harry goes to a magical school, but the church dosent undestand that we know its fiction, we arent about to start worshiping it. Same with the Da Vinci code. Oh, the Dark Lord will have your head... Not neccessarily. Some aspects of it are myth, to be taken as a spiritual lesson or spiritual information, while other aspects are to be take litterally. Its not like its the same fricking story, the history of the pre church. all one timeline, but different things(ie different books) I think the border between "spiritual" and "psychological" is paper thin. (Mind you, that's just what I think). I don't think any of the Bible really should be taken literally (any part of it), I simply think some of it is based in historical fact (and that history books would be better for getting the most accurate account), not to say the characters or the beliefs fall into that category (for instance, in the story of the flood, the characters had been changed from the characters in Gilgamesh, which is obviously what the story of the flood in the Bible was taken from.) If not everything in the Bible is real then it is by definition a Mythology sense you're admitting that it's at the very least a stretch of the truth, that's what Mythology is. Sorry, I have to be a grammar nazi here...it's "Since" not "sense". That's one of my biggest pet peeves... Um... huh. So apparently any collection of mythology in a book should have a disclaimer saying it's fiction? I don't honestly see how anyone could see that as a complete and intelligent thought... I don't see why it should be necessary to have to have a disclaimer on the Da Vinchi code book or film... perhaps I think too highly of people. o.o' Perhaps you don't think highly enough of people. you assumed I meant something, when you didn't even take the time to clarify what I meant.
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Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 25, 2010 12:51:38 GMT -5
Okay so I misunderstood. I wasn't accusing anyone and I'm glad you corrected me. The tone is not necessary. It's just you know... everyone was like "oh yeah this guy is so right!" unless you say what, anyone would be left to assume you mean every point made. newschooled same. I have a realitive sort of like that.
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Post by stephen5000 on Nov 27, 2010 0:44:32 GMT -5
I think you can find spirituality in anything you read (especially if you are looking for it). Reading books helps bring out your internal voice on the world. The Bible is no different in this respect.
From my personal reading of the Bible: parts of it are fun to read, many parts are tedious, much of it is a confusing mess theologically speaking and there are no real answers to be found in it. It is an interesting piece (or collection?) or literature.
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Post by Ricky on Nov 27, 2010 1:03:59 GMT -5
To me the bible is just a book. The knowledge in it, that was meant to be passed on, comes from norms derived from trial and error and imposed with the label of "if you don't do it, you'll go to hell".
The survival of groups depended on people working together, and not killing each other, plus giving everyone a common "evil" enemy means a goal is well established. Therefore I can understand that at some point there was a useful need for such a thing.
Regardless, that time is gone, and although things can be speculated and interpretations can lead to good information, it is not something live your life by.
Understanding why you are good is better than blindly following the ways of others for fear of eternal fiery damnation.
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Post by newschooled on Nov 27, 2010 19:17:26 GMT -5
blindly following the ways of others for fear of eternal fiery damnation. THIS...Is an excellent method of institutionalized thought control!
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Post by Flappy on Nov 27, 2010 19:41:02 GMT -5
I was talking to my mom today (she's a conservative Christian), and it was just so annoying and kind of disappointing that she belives that she is sinful and that God is the only way to save her. It wasn't sad because God wants to save her or whatever...
What was sad is that she believes God told her she's sinful and then told her the only way to be saved from that sin is by God...it's just so...arghh!
Also, the fact that Christianity teaches that homosexuality is a sin. I will never worship a god who believes that...
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Post by Lex on Nov 28, 2010 17:45:17 GMT -5
More frustrating: believing that every person on this planet is born into filth and deserves eternal torture, and can only be saved by professing belief in one specific deity.
I mean, that's sickening.
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Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 28, 2010 17:54:27 GMT -5
More frustrating: believing that every person on this planet is born into filth and deserves eternal torture, and can only be saved by professing belief in one specific deity. I mean, that's sickening. That I agree with.
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Post by tomankcorn on Nov 28, 2010 19:19:17 GMT -5
People saying stuff about the bible go read the new testament. or just look up some famous quotes if you cba up to you Being a Christian isn't about following rules. There are guidelines but all you have to do is believe Jesus died and rose again and all our sins past and present are forgotten. Isnt that an amazing gift.
Also there is actually no such thing as hell if you want to find out more read revelations (a book near the end of the bible) probably one of the most interesting books weather you believe or not. pm me if you need any help with understanding and night
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Post by Lex on Nov 28, 2010 19:35:34 GMT -5
People saying stuff about the bible go read the new testament. Most of us have. Being a Christian isn't about following rules. There are guidelines but all you have to do is believe Jesus died and rose again and all our sins past and present are forgotten. Isnt that an amazing gift. Actually, no. It's not so amazing if you don't believe in sin, heaven, hell, judgment or Jesus as the Son of God. Also there is actually no such thing as hell if you want to find out more read revelations (a book near the end of the bible) No. In most denominations of Christianity, people go to hell to experience torture for not believing in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. probably one of the most interesting books weather you believe or not. pm me if you need any help with understanding and night No. We understand perfectly. I was a Christian at one point. I know what the religion is about.
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Post by Flappy on Nov 28, 2010 19:41:52 GMT -5
More frustrating: believing that every person on this planet is born into filth and deserves eternal torture, and can only be saved by professing belief in one specific deity. I mean, that's sickening. That I agree with. Me too. People saying stuff about the bible go read the new testament. or just look up some famous quotes if you cba up to you Being a Christian isn't about following rules. There are guidelines but all you have to do is believe Jesus died and rose again and all our sins past and present are forgotten. Isnt that an amazing gift. Also there is actually no such thing as hell if you want to find out more read revelations (a book near the end of the bible) probably one of the most interesting books weather you believe or not. pm me if you need any help with understanding and night
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Post by Lex on Nov 28, 2010 20:13:06 GMT -5
I must confess that Revelation is one of the most bizarre, and most quotable horror stories I've ever read. Flappy: I think you formatted your response a little weird.
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Post by Joey on Nov 28, 2010 22:45:00 GMT -5
I must confess that Revelation is one of the most bizarre, and most quotable horror stories I've ever read. Agreed. Its not supposedly how the world is gonna end, heck, its almost proven to be most likely a tale of the First Century of the Church(either prophecy of it or telling of it after the fact.
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Post by Flappy on Nov 28, 2010 23:21:53 GMT -5
I must confess that Revelation is one of the most bizarre, and most quotable horror stories I've ever read. Flappy: I think you formatted your response a little weird. That's pretty much how I've always done it...so it's not weird to me. But compared to yours, yeah, kind of.
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Post by krzych32 on Nov 29, 2010 0:50:04 GMT -5
I must confess that Revelation is one of the most bizarre, and most quotable horror stories I've ever read. Agreed. Its not supposedly how the world is gonna end, heck, its almost proven to be most likely a tale of the First Century of the Church(either prophecy of it or telling of it after the fact. The irony is that only atheists read the bible.
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Post by Ricky on Nov 29, 2010 3:07:32 GMT -5
^ so true XD
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Post by Flappy on Nov 29, 2010 6:18:02 GMT -5
Yeah. Well, it's kind of true. I think this is mostly the church's fault. When people go to church, they usually go to "hear the word". Basically, they're being read to, and I would assume that's enough for a lot of them. The problem is that, frankly, they just keep repeating the same verses. It's only really in sunday school where they learn something aside from the norm. (This is all from my own experience going to church). So I think it's a combination of feeling satisfied after going to church, and laziness. Since atheists (usually) don't go to church, they would naturally not be restricted to the norms that are constantly presented in church sermons. Of course, this doesn't go for all Christians, but yes, the majority don't really read the Bible.
Something else, though, is that in Church (and this is, once again, from my own experience), there are a LOT of books that are never really studied at all (even in Sunday school), and there are definitely Favorite books that they present. These favorites include, but are not limited to, Genesis, Kings, Judges, Acts, The Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. Seems it's mostly Mark, though, which is interesting because it has been said that Mark is a forgery), and Revelation. (Give or take a few).
I remember, when I was in Sunday school, and the teacher asked us what book we wanted to study, nearly the whole class wanted Revelation, but I wanted to learn about Lementation and Job. And of course, I didn't get what I wanted.
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