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Post by Joey on Nov 29, 2010 18:40:21 GMT -5
^See, thats why people send their kids to catholic schools, to learn about these things everyday. Its a double edged sword. You say they brainwash at catholic schools, but then you say that Christians dont know the bible. Id rather have educated stubborn people than idotic stubborn people in a faith, so, thats one major reason I believe its worth going to a catholic school. And if you go to a catholic school for awhile, you get to the point where you make your own decision, its not like they force you to believe it. So really, the only brainwashing done is from 1st-6th grade, when by then I assume you can be old enough to think. And definately by high school...
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Post by Lex on Nov 29, 2010 18:46:44 GMT -5
I would discourage any parents from putting their children into Catholic schools. Children are gullible. End of story. There's no other argument to be made.
More often than not, children thrown into such religion will not grow out of it. They will likely latch onto the religion in a close-minded way, and not ever consider the possibility of others.
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Post by Joey on Nov 29, 2010 18:55:34 GMT -5
I would discourage any parents from putting their children into Catholic schools. Children are gullible. End of story. There's no other argument to be made. More often than not, children thrown into such religion will not grow out of it. They will likely latch onto the religion in a close-minded way, and not ever consider the possibility of others. Thats the fault of the Catholic school, not the parents. The schools need to teach about religions outside of their own, and to say that they are just as much a religion as ours. My school did, and I know every single kid in my class has chosen their own path. There are 6 atheists in my freshman class out of the 26 that came to high school from my old school. And the main religion teacher of the seniors gives a "final word" at graduation, where they always say, "after 12 years, now its your turn to go out into the world and choose, I hope you choose God, and etc etc." I think my school does a fair job of promotion open mindedness while also promoting our religion. A One semester class we have is called "Controversial Debate". Its basically how to debate stuff like religion, and my brother took it, and the first step they have to do is to research the other side, and to think about why they believe that. I think that speaks for itself.
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Post by Lex on Nov 29, 2010 18:57:42 GMT -5
Thats the fault of the Catholic school, not the parents. The schools need to teach about religions outside of their own, and to say that they are just as much a religion as ours. That defeats the purpose of a Catholic school. My school did, and I know every single kid in my class has chosen their own path. There are 6 atheists in my freshman class out of the 26 that came to high school from my old school. And the main religion teacher of the seniors gives a "final word" at graduation, where they always say, "after 12 years, now its your turn to go out into the world and choose, I hope you choose God, and etc etc." I think my school does a fair job of promotion open mindedness while also promoting our religion. A One semester class we have is called "Controversial Debate". Its basically how to debate stuff like religion, and my brother took it, and the first step they have to do is to research the other side, and to think about why they believe that. I think that speaks for itself. I have no idea what school you went to, but it sure does not operate like most Catholic schools around where I live, and most Catholic schools I have heard of. I still see absolutely no benefit in sending children to Catholic schools. Public schools are as secular as it's going to get (if that, excusing the "intelligent design" conundrum that some public schools in the Bible Belt have). That's what education needs to be -- secular. There should be no infusion of religious teaching whatsoever. What, exactly, is the benefit of sending a gullible child to a school where there is most likely going to be religious teaching, as compared to a school where there most likely is not?
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Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 29, 2010 19:50:42 GMT -5
Well the issue of catholic school is really twofold,
1) is the secular education in the catholic school superior to the secular education in the public school?
Many parents will attest the teachers/ education quality is actually far better, if this is true, hey, more power to them.
2) is religious education bad? why or why not? and if it's going to be taught is what are the merits of having a religious education in a religious context vs having it in a secular context?
I didn't go to catholic school, I can't say much about it, but in 1st- 5th grade I did attend what you would call a "Lutheran based" private school, and my brother even attended the continuation school partially into high school. there weren't any classes on religion, but they teachers weren't afraid to speak their mind about religion, and there were pseudo-inspirational religious posters plastered on every wall. My aunt is a biblical literalist so my mom always added a degree of levity and grounding to my religious education.
I tend to think that religious education should not be excluded entirely from schools becuase lets face it, part of being an adult in the melting pot that is america and understanding the world of other cultures is to educate yourself about others, including faiths that are not our own. I think post 9-11 if people already knew about Islam and it's core beliefs. people wouldn't acted so erratically afterword.
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Post by krzych32 on Nov 29, 2010 20:00:59 GMT -5
I would discourage any parents from putting their children into Catholic schools. Children are gullible. End of story. There's no other argument to be made. More often than not, children thrown into such religion will not grow out of it. They will likely latch onto the religion in a close-minded way, and not ever consider the possibility of others. People are gullible.
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Post by Lex on Nov 29, 2010 20:03:51 GMT -5
I would discourage any parents from putting their children into Catholic schools. Children are gullible. End of story. There's no other argument to be made. More often than not, children thrown into such religion will not grow out of it. They will likely latch onto the religion in a close-minded way, and not ever consider the possibility of others. People are gullible. Children are more gullible than adults. The Tooth Fairy told me.
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Post by Joey on Nov 29, 2010 22:09:49 GMT -5
Thats the fault of the Catholic school, not the parents. The schools need to teach about religions outside of their own, and to say that they are just as much a religion as ours. That defeats the purpose of a Catholic school. My school did, and I know every single kid in my class has chosen their own path. There are 6 atheists in my freshman class out of the 26 that came to high school from my old school. And the main religion teacher of the seniors gives a "final word" at graduation, where they always say, "after 12 years, now its your turn to go out into the world and choose, I hope you choose God, and etc etc." I think my school does a fair job of promotion open mindedness while also promoting our religion. A One semester class we have is called "Controversial Debate". Its basically how to debate stuff like religion, and my brother took it, and the first step they have to do is to research the other side, and to think about why they believe that. I think that speaks for itself. I have no idea what school you went to, but it sure does not operate like most Catholic schools around where I live, and most Catholic schools I have heard of. I still see absolutely no benefit in sending children to Catholic schools. Public schools are as secular as it's going to get (if that, excusing the "intelligent design" conundrum that some public schools in the Bible Belt have). That's what education needs to be -- secular. There should be no infusion of religious teaching whatsoever. What, exactly, is the benefit of sending a gullible child to a school where there is most likely going to be religious teaching, as compared to a school where there most likely is not? No, the purpose of a Catholic school is to teach about the faith. And teaching about other religions isnt wrong, its what should happen, but I worded it badly. I meant that they teach that other religions deserve just as much respect as a religion as we would want. Our religion is still technically taught as the "right" one. And its better as a catholic parent to send my kid to a public school where they cant talk about religion at all? They cant wear a religious medal or write a paper on their faith? Why not? We are putting gullible children in a place where they are taught that religion is something that is rejected by the government, so....
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Post by Flappy on Nov 29, 2010 22:51:11 GMT -5
That defeats the purpose of a Catholic school. I have no idea what school you went to, but it sure does not operate like most Catholic schools around where I live, and most Catholic schools I have heard of. I still see absolutely no benefit in sending children to Catholic schools. Public schools are as secular as it's going to get (if that, excusing the "intelligent design" conundrum that some public schools in the Bible Belt have). That's what education needs to be -- secular. There should be no infusion of religious teaching whatsoever. What, exactly, is the benefit of sending a gullible child to a school where there is most likely going to be religious teaching, as compared to a school where there most likely is not? No, the purpose of a Catholic school is to teach about the faith. And teaching about other religions isnt wrong, its what should happen, but I worded it badly. I meant that they teach that other religions deserve just as much respect as a religion as we would want. Our religion is still technically taught as the "right" one. I don't think any point is made if a Catholic school is saying "Oh there's other religions and people believe other things, but they're wrong, and we're right". I think all religions should be taught in the same way (this is one belief/ideology, and it's up to you whether or not you believe it). No public school will, nor do they have the right to prevent a student from talking about religion, wearing any religiously-affiliated material or writing about religious content. I don't know where you got this idea, but it simply isn't the case.
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Post by krzych32 on Nov 29, 2010 22:57:38 GMT -5
If there is only one truth. Why are we being told to respect what others believe? Doing so is like saying "ehhh....we may be wrong", with goes agains the idea or organized religion.
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Post by Joey on Nov 29, 2010 23:02:38 GMT -5
If there is only one truth. Why are we being told to respect what others believe? Doing so is like saying "ehhh....we may be wrong", with goes agains the idea or organized religion. I believe that being gay is okay. I am sure I am right, but just because my friend dosent believe that I disrespect him? No, I learn about why he believes that and try to persuade him to change, and if he wont I accept his belifes, no matter how wrong they are.
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Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 30, 2010 1:55:18 GMT -5
If there is only one truth. Why are we being told to respect what others believe? Doing so is like saying "ehhh....we may be wrong", with goes agains the idea or organized religion. what you mean to say is Abraham Religion. While by definition, the adaption of a belief (any belief, about anything) means you think it is probably the best possible belief based on your current knowledge, or at the very least, the best for you. However not all organized religious institutions necessarily feel others are "wrong" or encourage proselytizing. There certianly are people who legitimately have a "many roads" mentality in regards to spirituality. Open up "organized" religion, which I mean to imply a religion that is centralized and just say "established religion" and you'll find many religions with these sort of ideas.
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Post by marypo on Nov 30, 2010 10:24:58 GMT -5
Um... huh. So apparently any collection of mythology in a book should have a disclaimer saying it's fiction? I don't honestly see how anyone could see that as a complete and intelligent thought... I don't see why it should be necessary to have to have a disclaimer on the Da Vinchi code book or film... perhaps I think too highly of people. o.o' It was a sarcastic response, he said that if the book/movie was forced to have a disclaimer on it, then so should the Bible. I don't think he meant to seriously suggest that.
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Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 30, 2010 11:04:17 GMT -5
Um... huh. So apparently any collection of mythology in a book should have a disclaimer saying it's fiction? I don't honestly see how anyone could see that as a complete and intelligent thought... I don't see why it should be necessary to have to have a disclaimer on the Da Vinchi code book or film... perhaps I think too highly of people. o.o' It was a sarcastic response, he said that if the book/movie was forced to have a disclaimer on it, then so should the Bible. I don't think he meant to seriously suggest that. that wasn't so much in response to him (I cuaght the sarcasm) as they people who seemed to be applauding him and seemed to have been taking him literally.
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Post by Lex on Nov 30, 2010 12:37:20 GMT -5
Our religion is still technically taught as the "right" one. It enforces that a particular religion is correct, over others. That is the issue.
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Post by oneironaut on Nov 30, 2010 14:05:24 GMT -5
Constantly switches main character, way too much stuff to keep track of yet somehow manages to be incredibly slow-paced and has no appearant plotline. 2.5/10, avoid at all costs.
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Post by Flappy on Nov 30, 2010 16:30:43 GMT -5
Now what's oneironaut on about?
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Post by marypo on Nov 30, 2010 16:33:51 GMT -5
Now what's oneironaut on about? I believe he is rating the Bible as if judging a book of fiction.
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Post by kdphilosophy on Nov 30, 2010 21:12:52 GMT -5
I have to admit it's fairly accurate at first glance. I think it would pretty neat to read the bible as fiction and do a review.
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Post by Flappy on Nov 30, 2010 21:23:43 GMT -5
Now what's oneironaut on about? I believe he is rating the Bible as if judging a book of fiction. Ah, okay.
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