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Post by Lex on Nov 30, 2010 18:14:48 GMT -5
No, it's got nothing to do with my MUSLIMS! video... only the title is similar |
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Post by austkyzor on Nov 30, 2010 20:32:06 GMT -5
I don't have much to say, other then I agree.
My own beliefs are pretty similar.
I'd say more - but that gets me in trouble.
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Post by krzych32 on Nov 30, 2010 21:02:53 GMT -5
Just wanted to say, the way your videos are done is really reallly good.
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Post by Flappy on Nov 30, 2010 21:18:42 GMT -5
Well yeah, I pretty much agree with everything. Though I do slightly disagree that if there was a god, that it wouldn't be involved with the people of this planet (Obviously I can't say for sure), not to say, though, that I think the opposite. I just don't have a set idea about what a god would or would not occupy its time with.
I do, also, agree about hell. Most specifically how calm Christians are with the idea. (Like it doesn't bother them at all.) But frankly, to not find it completely and utterly disturbing, disturbs me.
I definitely agree that if there is a god, that it is an imperfect being. And I really can't understand why Christians would think of God, especially their god, as a perfect being.
I think that monotheism makes less sense than polytheism. More than one god just makes more sense to me, however, religion makes no sense to me (not no sense as in I don't understand it, no sense as in I don't understand why people would believe it.) I am an atheist, however, so I don't believe in god at all, I just think polytheism makes more sense than monotheism. (This isn't really a response to the video, just more discussion on religion...)
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Post by qooqǝɯɐƃ on Dec 1, 2010 0:46:00 GMT -5
I think we should just drop these discussions over religion. They never end up being worth the effort. Theists have triggered responses to logic and reason that make everything an atheist or agnostic person says pointless. And atheists aren't going to be persuaded to believe in a religion.
However, that is just my opinion...
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Post by amon91 on Dec 1, 2010 18:04:54 GMT -5
Theists have triggered responses to logic and reason that make everything an atheist or agnostic person says pointless. And atheists aren't going to be persuaded to believe in a religion. That's totally true, I share that view completely. That's why religion debates are useless, it's like arguing with a parrot. |
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Post by Joey on Dec 1, 2010 18:45:50 GMT -5
I think we should just drop these discussions over religion. They never end up being worth the effort. Theists have triggered responses to logic and reason that make everything an atheist or agnostic person says pointless. And atheists aren't going to be persuaded to believe in a religion. However, that is just my opinion... But it turns both ways, Atheists still BELIEVE that there is no God, they may think there is better evidence for that, but they cant say it for 100%. So they are still just Beliefs, and just as atheists wont be persuaded to believe in a religion, Theists wont be persuaded to not believe in one. But I think debating religion is good. It improves your debating skills, and its something that someone should debate about at least once in their lives. Alex is probably the most outspoken and best debater here, and in this regard, his beliefs contradict mine. I may not believe the same thing, but at the end of the day I still think he's one hell of a guy and respect him. So if you are a good debater, you should to be able to debate whatever.. But also, these threads are getting repetitive(the religion debate ones) so maybe we could lay off them for awhile... |
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Post by Lex on Dec 1, 2010 18:51:31 GMT -5
But it turns both ways, Atheists still BELIEVE that there is no God Atheism literally means "without belief in God". It's not a belief in no God, it's the default position of no faith whatsoever. It's okay. A lot of people mess that one up. |
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Post by Joey on Dec 1, 2010 19:15:31 GMT -5
But it turns both ways, Atheists still BELIEVE that there is no God Atheism literally means "without belief in God". It's not a belief in no God, it's the default position of no faith whatsoever. It's okay. A lot of people mess that one up. Okay, I was trying to say that Atheism is still a choice. Its not like its the 100% proven way to believe, and theists dont just ignore it all. We have just as much a right to chose to believe as others have the right to choose to not believe. Atheism is still a Choice is what I was meaning. |
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Post by Lex on Dec 1, 2010 19:57:36 GMT -5
Atheism literally means "without belief in God". It's not a belief in no God, it's the default position of no faith whatsoever. It's okay. A lot of people mess that one up. Okay, I was trying to say that Atheism is still a choice. Its not like its the 100% proven way to believe, and theists dont just ignore it all. We have just as much a right to chose to believe as others have the right to choose to not believe. Atheism is still a Choice is what I was meaning. Well, yes. It's still a choice. But regardless of that, it's not a belief, but a lack of a belief. (Like, not a religious view, but a view on religion) |
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Post by Joey on Dec 1, 2010 19:58:28 GMT -5
Okay, I was trying to say that Atheism is still a choice. Its not like its the 100% proven way to believe, and theists dont just ignore it all. We have just as much a right to chose to believe as others have the right to choose to not believe. Atheism is still a Choice is what I was meaning. Well, yes. It's still a choice. But regardless of that, it's not a belief, but a lack of a belief. (Like, not a religious view, but a view on religion) Gotcha, bad choice of words, Ill change it next time. |
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Post by Flappy on Dec 2, 2010 21:53:50 GMT -5
I think one thing that should be taken into consideration in all of this religious debating is that, from my experience anyway, atheists don't tend to try and prove that god(s) doesn't exist. They usually only refute the idea that god does exist. And more so, it seems we try more to debunk religion rather than the idea of god itself.
For obvious reasons, but I just felt like bringing up that point.
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