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Post by Dom on Mar 21, 2010 0:07:10 GMT -5
Simply put, I don't believe human beings have a limit. Hold on though, lets step back and see the implications of making such a rash comment. If human beings as a race have no limits, that means given enough time we will be able to leap any large distance (think miles long), run as fast as our own flesh will hold together, and lift objects of almost any mass. That is, given enough time and assuming we aren't wiped out in the next few hundred years (but for these things it will probably take thousands or even millions of years) of course the human civilization will almost certainly not live that long any readers of science fiction may disagree, because it would not be impossible.
Why do I believe humans have no limits? We will always be able to do better than our predecessors. Take the Olympics for example, previous set records are always being beaten. If someone can long jump 6 meters, someone will eventually get 6.1m. No matter how small the margin, every record will eventually be broken. Its weird to think about, but I don't think any one person can say "no human can run 100m in less than 8seconds" because eventually someone will.
This is even scarier because you might think, oh well there must be a limit to how fast someone could run, because wouldn't the velocities and force rip the flesh, or distort the body? Well, I believe the answer is no. This is mainly because if you think of Darwinian evolution, it is survival of the fittest, and the ones that survive can adapt to their environment, well if your environment starts to involve dangerous forces and flesh-tearing speeds, you body would probably become tougher, and your heart more efficient. That coupled with the fact that in the far future if this could be possible, our technology would probably be advanced enough to also aid to the comfort of extremely fast running.
I used only a few examples, all of them physical/athletic attributes, but of course there is more to humans that just that. Another thing to keep in mind, is if humans can keep continually pushing their limits to infinity would the general populace also become faster than we could imagine? Or would there be a large distinction between an athlete and an average person? For example now-a-days professional athletes are much better at their sport than the common person that it would be a joke to compare the two, however if, say in 100 000 years humans are still around and athletes are running at the speed of sound, what would the common folk be running? slightly faster than our current common folk running speeds? Or maybe even slower, widening the distinction because of the continued laziness in the ability to obtain information and increased health care.
Just some things to think about, disscuss away.
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Post by bombmaniac on Mar 21, 2010 0:20:03 GMT -5
in terms of physical potential i think there is a limit , but in terms of mental abilities, i think the potential is basically limitless.
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Post by Dom on Mar 21, 2010 1:19:11 GMT -5
in terms of physical potential i think there is a limit , but in terms of mental abilities, i think the potential is basically limitless. maybe, but think if we somehow manage to get someone to run a 1500m in 2 minutes, don't you think someone would eventually be able to beat that by at least .01 of a second?, and then don't you think someone could beat that by at least another .01 of a second. However by this logic it would go to infinity. Its kind of paradoxial, because our brains and common sense tells us it is immpossible for any human to some day run the speed of sound (for any given amount of time), but if using this logic, then it would someday be possible.
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Post by sushistereo on Mar 21, 2010 4:50:55 GMT -5
Moral standards are limits, Nietzche thought that someone without morals was the superman. With no limits it means also that we will invade everything, our cruelty will be unstopable, we will kill ourselves in the process.
Sry for the spelling
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Post by andromeda on Mar 21, 2010 9:20:46 GMT -5
Individually, humans are limited. There's only so much knowledge we can obtain, only so much physical stress our bodies can endure. But, all humans together are quite possibly limitless. Our only obstacle is ourselves.
Something really cool from the Bible (not trying to preach at you, it just fits) is Genesis 11:1-9. It's the story of the tower of Babel where everyone in the whole world has one language and one culture and they're trying to build this tower to Heaven. God sees that they might actually succeed and creates a language barrier to stop them.
It's basically saying that when humans unite, we're unstoppable.
Globalization anyone?
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Post by Yokailo on Mar 21, 2010 9:22:32 GMT -5
There are no limits in what we can do. But there are limits in how much we can handle.. If you can do everything, you will destroy yourself. That's what I think.
I don't think this really belongs in the project-section, though..
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Post by Dom on Mar 21, 2010 10:18:09 GMT -5
There are no limits in what we can do. But there are limits in how much we can handle.. If you can do everything, you will destroy yourself. That's what I think. I don't think this really belongs in the project-section, though.. Yeah, I realized I might have put it in the wrong section after I posted it, my mistake. But yes, I agree with the above posts in that individually, no we cannot be limitless ourselves, no one human alive will have no physical limits. However I was talking about the race. Think of each individual human as a parabolic curve on a graph, each with a maximum value, each generation that maximum value will increase (even if only slightly), but the point is that as a race we are limitless (mentally, physically) but as a individual we are not. And yes, I also agree together we are unstoppable, and I have read that passage in the bible, interesting you bring it up, because what I take from the passage is, together we are limitless, as a whole we are limitless, a possible continued success is limitless, but when we are individualized, we are weak (as suggested when God decided to punish the people, by making them individuals by creating that language barrier).
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Post by bombmaniac on Mar 21, 2010 10:55:02 GMT -5
Individually, humans are limited. There's only so much knowledge we can obtain, only so much physical stress our bodies can endure. But, all humans together are quite possibly limitless. Our only obstacle is ourselves. Something really cool from the Bible (not trying to preach at you, it just fits) is Genesis 11:1-9. It's the story of the tower of Babel where everyone in the whole world has one language and one culture and they're trying to build this tower to Heaven. God sees that they might actually succeed and creates a language barrier to stop them. It's basically saying that when humans unite, we're unstoppable. Globalization anyone? incredible! someone who knows their bible precisely! there are many explanations behind the story of the tower of babel, but at the core of it lies the fact that due to the fact that they were united so strongly they had a great chance of succeeding. it is true. we need others to become great and achieve greatness.
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Post by Johncoyne on Mar 21, 2010 12:19:42 GMT -5
Bible Win, and a very valid point. When it comes down to it, this reminds me of technological singularity with human beings. What if people broke records faster and faster each time? It's scary.
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Post by andromeda on Mar 21, 2010 14:48:04 GMT -5
I think there would come a time where we would stop seeing the records being broken within our lifespan. Someone would eventually reach the limit of that particular generation of humans and the process would end until a new generation is born that is capable of going even further. Quick thought. When we look at record breaking in athletics can we compare it to technology? Every time we break a record, it's like innovating a product that already exists. What could we compare inventing to it athletics?
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Post by runforthefinish on Mar 21, 2010 18:05:02 GMT -5
As time goes on and on, I agree that eventually we will reach the limit of our physical strength, but our mental power is possibly unlimited. We will have to see what the future brings ;D
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Post by bombmaniac on Mar 21, 2010 18:23:52 GMT -5
As time goes on and on, I agree that eventually we will reach the limit of our physical strength, but our mental power is possibly unlimited. We will have to see what the future brings ;D very true
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Post by Dom on Mar 21, 2010 20:01:02 GMT -5
I think there would come a time where we would stop seeing the records being broken within our lifespan. Someone would eventually reach the limit of that particular generation of humans and the process would end until a new generation is born that is capable of going even further. Quick thought. When we look at record breaking in athletics can we compare it to technology? Every time we break a record, it's like innovating a product that already exists. What could we compare inventing to it athletics? Exactly, my whole outlook on life is simply that nothing is immpossible. Nothing. Nothing at all. It may not be achieved in my lifetime, but I believe if we can dream it, it can happen. for example i'm sure some day we will find a cheap reliable energy source that is renewable which could power a spaceship flight at almost or close to the speed of light for example.
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Post by Dom on Mar 21, 2010 20:02:31 GMT -5
As time goes on and on, I agree that eventually we will reach the limit of our physical strength, but our mental power is possibly unlimited. We will have to see what the future brings ;D But don't you think that when we see the "limit" to our physical strenghts, lets say long jumping 16 meters... don't you think someone would eventually jump 16.01m? or just slightly above the former?
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