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Post by Quinn on Feb 27, 2011 15:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by Insane_Zang on Feb 27, 2011 15:50:47 GMT -5
wot...
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Quinn
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Post by Quinn on Feb 27, 2011 15:55:32 GMT -5
Discuss the idea that "An education environment will be better with only girls/boys."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 16:12:04 GMT -5
Disagree. Boys and girls are different, but I think that no characteristics specific to each one would improve their education. Furthermore, even if there are characteristics that make educating one gender better, the other gender will be harmed by the lack of the equilibrating forces of the first one. At least those are my 2¢ very quickly thought up (I might make a more developed opinion in the future if I remember anything more).
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Post by Flappy on Feb 28, 2011 1:40:28 GMT -5
No. All this would do is limit opportunities to learn.
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Post by Flags_Forever on Feb 28, 2011 4:21:55 GMT -5
Disagree. Boys and girls are different, but I think that no characteristics specific to each one would improve their education. Furthermore, even if there are characteristics that make educating one gender better, the other gender will be harmed by the lack of the equilibrating forces of the first one. At least those are my 2¢ very quickly thought up (I might make a more developed opinion in the future if I remember anything more). No. All this would do is limit opportunities to learn. Agreed, and agreed. |
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Post by Quinn on Feb 28, 2011 10:21:42 GMT -5
I believe that if males and females get different educations... then it is highly likely that one will be better than the other.
This is unfair, inadequate, unjustified... and all that other jazz.
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Post by Ryan on Feb 28, 2011 20:47:24 GMT -5
People are like tuples in an n-dimensional characteristic vector space - 'better' or 'worse' cannot apply to an entire person - merely a characteristic of that person.
Differing education wouldn't make one gender better or worse - it would however prevent shared learning. Girls think differently than boys - so both groups will ask questions that will further the understanding of all who learn - let alone one or the other gender.
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Post by Lex on Feb 28, 2011 23:55:03 GMT -5
Separating them would definitely hinder learning on a social level, there's no doubt about that.
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Post by TheIslander on Mar 1, 2011 18:40:54 GMT -5
Firstly I would like to say that a lot of posts in this topic lack constructive arguments.
This form of education has been carried out throughout the ages and there has been no drastic change in social interaction since co-ed education was introduce.
Moreover, the argument stating that single gender education hinders gender equality is also weak. In all fields, millions are spent successfully segmenting masses into demographics just to understand them and help create custom services for them - gender being the simplest of these demographics, yet you say that segmenting and specializing education hinders equality. How so?
Of course, blindly following generalizations is wrong - but totally ignoring them is even worse!
Single gender education would encourage girls and boys to be themselves - all without the stress of having to play to the stereotype defined by the opposite sex.
Statistics show that academic stimulus differs with gender - boys are driven by stress and risk whereas girls flourish in less stressful environments. Biologically, boys eyes are organized to recognize motion whereas girls eyes are organized better to recognize color & texture.
Girls' emotive skills develop quicker the that of boys hence the reason that girls are more inclined to take arts/languages.
In single sex environments, one can modify teaching methods to be applied to different sexes. Girls will flourish in physical education, mathematics and other sciences amongst other girls.
Boys will flourish in art and languages amongst other boys.
Both sexes will equally gain confidence in their subjects.
Coming from a Computer science background where most of the people I meet are male, the few females I know who are in computer science are all consequently educated at single sex schools. Is this a coincidence?
I don't think so.
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Post by Alex on Mar 1, 2011 18:53:06 GMT -5
Separating them would definitely hinder learning on a social level, there's no doubt about that. Your avatar is amazing. |
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Post by Ryan on Mar 1, 2011 21:03:04 GMT -5
I think that your argument is only looking at single sex education when there is an option for co-ed education. Look back before girls and boys were allowed to go to the same schools (1800s in America) and most of your arguments fall apart. Schools back then had same-sex education, and it lead to segregation and inequality and segregated treatment of men and women. Also, the quality of education was different. I would argue that since co-ed education has been introduced (at least in America, back in 1833), that education conditions for co-ed education have drastically improved the quality, and expected quality of education.
Also, most single sex education schools are private (I hesitate to say all, but I would invite you to provide an example of a single sex education school that is not a private institution - or owned by a private institution). Private education nearly always offers a higher level of education - namely because higher quality teachers are paid to teach, whereas in public institutions, most teachers are paid the same, regardless of their ability. So yes, in today's world where same sex education is offered by private institutions, I would definitely argue that single sex education usually offers a better education than co-ed public schools. However, when you compare single sex education schools to OTHER private schools - can you make the same claims? If you do make these claims - please provide statistical evidence to support them, including standardized testing scores, university admissions rates, and other relevant data.
Same-sex education does not benefit over co-ed education, anything I can learn with a bunch of guys in the room, I can learn with a bunch of guys and girls in a room. That's why universities tend not to be same sex education establishments.
While your points about encouraging factors provided by a same sex environment hold some weight, they are deeply rooted in child psychology. What makes you think that a boy in an art class will feel any more comfortable letting his artistic side take hold, when many of his other classmates don't? Or why would a girl necessarily flourish in a gym class with a bunch of girls present, over a bunch of girls and boys? Your arguments address the fact that each gender would not have to abide by the stereotypes FOR THE OTHER GENDER, but they don't address the stereotypes held BY THEIR OWN GENDER. If you really want equal education, teach in co-ed education systems, but remove stereotypes. (while that's an impossible proposition - I hope it makes my point clear about all of your arguments based on stereotypes and how they affect education).
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Post by hayleymills on Mar 2, 2011 3:32:02 GMT -5
women have no place with men except if theyre married and then its a womans job to serve the husband.
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Post by Flags_Forever on Mar 2, 2011 8:40:35 GMT -5
women have no place with men except if theyre married and then its a womans job to serve the husband. Aaand we have a new _nderscore.  |
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Post by Alex on Mar 2, 2011 15:41:02 GMT -5
women have no place with men except if theyre married and then its a womans job to serve the husband. Yeah, women suck. All they're good for is having babies and making sammiches. |
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