Quinn
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Post by Quinn on Apr 7, 2011 19:47:56 GMT -5
Do you think parents/school staff members should be allowed to beat children as punishment?
I personally believe that it teaches the child that its ok to hurt people.
Also, if the kid goes and smacks a police officer, then he would be arrested... SO WHY SHOULDN'T A TEACHER BE ARRESTED FOR SMACKING A KID?!?
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Post by Ryan on Apr 7, 2011 21:46:25 GMT -5
The problem with the debate that is about to occur I think is that different people define pain differently.
For instance - yes, it is perfectly acceptable to spank a child for doing wrong. That's negative reinforcement, and is no different than smacking a dog on the nose when it does something wrong. It doesn't teach the child to go around smacking other peoples butts, it teaches them that if they do a certain action, the consequence is an event that causes pain which is bad (usually) and so they should avoid it. A smack on the face, however, is not acceptable. While there are similar repercussions of spanking, it can teach other behaviors, such as what to do when you're angry at someone. The equivalent would be biting a dog when it does something bad. This could be viewed as an expression of anger and that when you're angry you should bite - which is bad training.
So really - what constitutes beating?
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Post by Lex on Apr 7, 2011 22:05:31 GMT -5
No. Physical force shouldn't be used against a child to discipline them. Being a pacifist, I don't believe in it at all.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Apr 8, 2011 0:33:17 GMT -5
Pretty much what Ryan said, to be honest. I see nothing wrong with smacking a kid, but not repeatedly. The child also needs to be taught why it is happening. It's all about how it's done. Also, not something to the face, really. And not multiple times. And only by parents or guardians.
EDIT: To answer the question by the OP, teachers shouldn't hit kids.
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Post by ryan on Apr 8, 2011 1:59:34 GMT -5
we can allow smakings but in many extreme cases people would push it...i think it shouldnt happen until we can ensure there arent extremities...i dont think that will ever happen though
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Post by Ryan on Apr 8, 2011 2:48:27 GMT -5
I've been a pretty hardcore pacafist for years now, and taken a fair share of beatings on behalf of my pacafism, and I see nothing wrong with a spanking. It's not violence, and if it is violence, then it's ineffective punishment. I do see something wrong with other forms of physical contact as forms of punishment, but some of them - when implemented well, do not go against pacafism.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Apr 8, 2011 9:08:32 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with a spanking. It's not violence, and if it is violence, then it's ineffective punishment. I do see something wrong with other forms of physical contact as forms of punishment
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Quinn
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Post by Quinn on Apr 8, 2011 10:01:40 GMT -5
Physical force won't teach a child and it will just make him more confused on what he did...
You might as well tell him nothing about sex until he is 18...
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Post by Ryan on Apr 8, 2011 11:17:41 GMT -5
If you do something stupid - and get hurt doing it, does that not teach you that you shouldn't do that stupid thing? Physical force is not confusing, so long as it is the right kind of physical force. If you are running near a pool and slip and hurt yourself - you learn not to run near the pool, it doesn't confuse you that you slipped and hurt yourself.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Apr 8, 2011 13:32:43 GMT -5
The child also needs to be taught why it is happening.
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Post by Alex on Apr 8, 2011 14:21:43 GMT -5
No physical violence should be used. We are trying to end bullying, and a physical punishment that endangers their wellbeing should be forbidden.
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Post by Ryan on Apr 8, 2011 14:29:20 GMT -5
I agree with you Alex - but there's a difference between physical punishment, and physical violence.
Physical punishment need not endanger a child - or even injure them. I doubt people would say that a spanking or a harsh wrist grabbing and yanking injures a child. Yes they can if overly aggressive, but in most cases they wont.
Physical violence should not be used as punishment - but that doesn't mean physical punishment should no longer be used. PLEASE I beg of you to understand the difference.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Apr 8, 2011 14:39:24 GMT -5
^That
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Post by Ricky on Apr 8, 2011 17:47:58 GMT -5
I'm all for the punishment of Corporals... they are not Sergeants yet but they just stopped being Privates, its weird! xD
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Post by Lyserg Zeroz on Apr 8, 2011 18:09:57 GMT -5
What? How did you get from one thing to the other!?...
I don't think teachers or any other school staff should be allowed to do that. I understand the negative reinforcement, but I'm not really sure that spanking your kid is the best choice. Worst if it becomes common practice for the parent to do something like that. If a parent ever does that, then the parent should try to make the child understand why that happened (as Zang said) and should be very clear on that, the child should not confuse the situation with "I hit you because I'm angry".
If ever had a child, I think I wouldn't do it, or would at least avoid it as much as I could. I don't really know much about raising kids, so maybe that's an effective and not traumatizing way to raise a kid (when done right), I don't really know, but I'd like parents to don't see that as the first alternative.
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Post by Insane_Zang on Apr 8, 2011 19:28:59 GMT -5
To add a bit of a personal side, my parents spanked me, but not often. In fact, I remember once that my dad told me he loved me and that I was spanked because of what I did right before. I remember it to this day as amazing parenting.
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Post by Ryan on Apr 8, 2011 23:11:04 GMT -5
I just realized that I'm talking to people who are still kids and to whom this form of punishment still applies. I think you're biased. Including you Zang, even though you agree with me. I too am somewhat biased in that I was the good child and was never (or hardly) punished.
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Post by Quinn on Apr 9, 2011 0:00:44 GMT -5
I don't really know much about raising kids
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Post by Insane_Zang on Apr 9, 2011 0:35:06 GMT -5
I just realized that I'm talking to people who are still kids and to whom this form of punishment still applies. I think you're biased. Including you Zang, even though you agree with me. I too am somewhat biased in that I was the good child and was never (or hardly) punished. Meh, just throwing in my point of view then
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