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Post by kadie on Mar 28, 2010 6:12:59 GMT -5
Personally I find the whole concept of capital punishment monstrous. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" Is the quote I always use when discussing this issue with people. But I have noticed more people than I would expect disagree with me and think the death penalty can, in some cases, be a suitable punishment. I am curious to understand why some people believe that the death penalty is a fair punishment for serious crimes. Kadie
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Post by UnfairBear on Mar 28, 2010 7:18:44 GMT -5
I dont think anyone should ever kill anyone.
This isn't because I don't think some people deserve to die (for example, Hitler totally did), I just dont think anybody should kill anybody because somebody else thinks they should die. We're all human, and we all experience life, and in a way we're on the same sort of level of existance. Because of this I don't think we have enough knowledge, or capacity to Judge whether someone else's life should be snuffed out. I mean, we all do judge, but none of us should act on it.
So no matter what someone's done I don't think they should recieve capital punishment. Even if everyone else in the world think's they deserve to die, we can't, and shouldn't make that call.
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Post by Joey on Mar 28, 2010 11:06:23 GMT -5
I think that here in the US we have no need for it, because we have jails that can keep people for life. But in third world countries where there is not a suitable jail and the criminal has commited a very serious crime, then there does need to be one.
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Post by Lex on Mar 28, 2010 13:05:54 GMT -5
Capital punishment is ludicrous and a waste of time.
Why should we sink to their level and right the wrongs with another wrong? Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by noobsensei on Mar 28, 2010 14:56:56 GMT -5
As long as our government is anything less than 100% accurate with their conviction rate for capital crimes, I don't want them to have the power to kill people. There have been people on death row who were later exonerated by new evidence...and tragically, there have been innocent people who were executed (look up Cameron Todd Willingham).
Also, capital punishment is a waste of resources. It costs more to execute someone than it does to imprison them for the rest of their life, due to the endless appeals associated with capital punishment cases. Unless we're going to become a police state and deny people the right of due process, those people are entitled to appeal their convictions and capital cases will remain horrendously expensive for the taxpayers.
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Post by kadie on Mar 29, 2010 0:13:51 GMT -5
But in third world countries where there is not a suitable jail and the criminal has commited a very serious crime, then there does need to be one. I never thought about that before. Although, in third world countries the amount of innocent people sentenced to the death penalty is surely going to be higher than in western countries. it presents a challenging dilemma kadie
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Post by Cortney on Mar 29, 2010 0:22:32 GMT -5
I believe if you kill someone intentionally and not in self defense, then you deserve to die. Nobody has the right to take a life, and if you choose to take it anyway, then you lose your right to YOUR life.
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Post by kadie on Mar 29, 2010 9:42:33 GMT -5
I believe if you kill someone intentionally and not in self defense, then you deserve to die. Nobody has the right to take a life, and if you choose to take it anyway, then you lose your right to YOUR life. So say, hypothetically, you sentence someone to death - who then carries out "the dark deed"? I ask because whoever carries out the execution has surely killed somebody intentionally and not in self defense. Do we then take away their life? Kadie
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Post by AGaW on Mar 29, 2010 10:42:10 GMT -5
I think capital punishment is unnecessary... I'm pretty sure if someone is sentenced to life with no parole, that person would MUCH rather be killed than to have to spend the rest of their life suffering in prison until they die. :/ A lot of people have even committed suicide in prison...
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Post by UnfairBear on Mar 29, 2010 12:11:18 GMT -5
I believe if you kill someone intentionally and not in self defense, then you deserve to die. Nobody has the right to take a life, and if you choose to take it anyway, then you lose your right to YOUR life. I think if we acted on that we'd run out of people..
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Post by Cortney on Mar 29, 2010 14:49:30 GMT -5
So say, hypothetically, you sentence someone to death - who then carries out "the dark deed"? I ask because whoever carries out the execution has surely killed somebody intentionally and not in self defense. Do we then take away their life? Kadie The reason the first person deserves death is because everyone has a right to live. I said, "Nobody has the right to take a life, and if you choose to take it anyway, then you lose your right to YOUR life. " If you lose the right to your life, then the executioner can kill you without having to be killed themselves. UnfairBearIf this were true, I'd be very sad. Through this method only murderers would die, so basically you just said everybody is a murderer. Were this true, we'd run out of people anyway due to everyone murdering everyone else.
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Post by Lex on Mar 29, 2010 15:49:39 GMT -5
How about this: don't kill people, either way.
Wouldn't that be simpler, or is it some sort of lust for vengeance that motivates one to support capital punishment - there would be no other reason.
So unless justice is built upon bloodthirsty revenge, then capital punishment should stay out. We don't live in the dark ages anymore, we can find better solutions that don't involve killing people.
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Post by kadie on Mar 29, 2010 16:15:57 GMT -5
The reason the first person deserves death is because everyone has a right to live. I said, "Nobody has the right to take a life, and if you choose to take it anyway, then you lose your right to YOUR life. " If you lose the right to your life, then the executioner can kill you without having to be killed themselves. But, according to what you've said, you believe that someone who takes the life of another for any reason other than self-defense should be sentenced to death. My point is that then surely anyone who decides that someone else should be killed (e.g. jury, judge ect...) would then also have to be sentenced to death. I apologise if i have misunderstood or misinterpreted what you've said, and please correct me if i have. Kadie
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Post by UnfairBear on Mar 29, 2010 20:13:56 GMT -5
Nobody has the right to take a life That means nobody at all.. including people who do the sentencing. It's a bit of a contradiction, even if you don't mean it that way. What if a man kills a woman, and then the woman's husband kills the man who killed his wife? Is that acceptable since the murderer has lost his right to life?
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Post by bombmaniac on Apr 1, 2010 5:24:07 GMT -5
by killing another human being you have essentially taken your own life. you forfeit that which makes you human and as such you are no better than the lowliest beast. it is no longer a matter of one human over another. it is a matter of a human killing a rabid dog.
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