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Post by Joey on Mar 29, 2010 19:28:51 GMT -5
Okay in my class today we were discussing about Facebook and crap online and the privacy you have there, and my teacher said that nothing online is private. She said that even though you have passwords, it doesnt mean your safe. She said that she has seen all of our Facebook pages and that if we have Youtube, twitter, myspace, etc. that she has seen those too. Now you may think this is a bunch of crap but she has given out detentions to kids in our class and the class below us for things posted on facebook. Now is it just me or does this sound illegal? She said that it is the job of the school to take care of stuff outside of school. She said that if you curse or do something offensive online, it will be taken care of in school. Now this brings up the question of how safe is it online, and how far will people go to get to things there. It might just be me but it seems as if my school has crossed the line in doing this. I wouldnt be surprised if the teacher found this. (But I dont think that is likely because all of the teachers trust me.) What do you think?
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Post by Nakor on Mar 29, 2010 20:05:07 GMT -5
She's right about things online being less than private. (Privacy online often is just anonymity; everyone sees it, but nobody knows who really posted it. There are some levels of true privacy in some cases, but as a rule of thumb, if you wouldn't want the public to see it, don't post it online.) However, it is outside the school's jurisdiction (morally for sure, and I think also legally) to punish anything that doesn't happen on school grounds or at least in some way relating to school (smoking pot off school grounds when you were supposed to be in school is totally within their realm of concern).
What you do on YouTube at home on your own time is not their concern. If they have a problem with it then at most they should be contacting your parents, or the law if we're talking about something illegal, or recommend counselling if it's really that bad. But detentions or punishment for things that have nothing to do with the school? That's outside their purview.
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Post by zAkAtAk on Mar 29, 2010 20:19:31 GMT -5
Posting from memory here, but I'm pretty sure that the school can only punish its students with matters pertaining to the safety of the school or if the offense is committed on school grounds, should said student attend said school. If I go to a catholic school that punishes those that curse and I post as a Facebook status: "Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck", the school has no jurisdiction over the matter because it does not harm the school in even the slightest way, nor does the offense occur on school grounds.
More to the topic, yes the private is become less private. Just because you set personal blocks so that people cannot see your pictures from last friday when you were drunk does not mean that those people are entirely blocked from it. Certain businesses and corporations are allowed to, by Facebook (Google), to go past certain blocks and see certain things. If you post a naughty picture online, do it knowing that more than just the people you want to see it will see it.
My friend had a Facebook picture of him with a purple bong as the profile picture. After an interview, his interviewer looked at his Facebook, saw the image, and immediatly threw away his file. He was fully qualified for the position and he was a shoe in to get it. Stuff does actually happen.
My previous boss had a rule that as long as you could explain what happened, it didn't matter. He knew that people will be people, that everyone is allowed to have fun every once in a while, etc... If you could not explain what happened in the picture/video, then you probably were not very trustworthy and responsible for yourself, so why hire someone to be responsible for a job.
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Post by UnfairBear on Mar 29, 2010 20:21:32 GMT -5
I agree, its total bs and you should tell your teacher to shove it. Well, you shouldn't really, you should probably do something more civil than that... This kinda thing really pisses me off. When I was in school two sets of twins got in a physical fight in a club outside school (not on school grounds). One of the sets' mother (the losing team, I'm guessing) called up the school and said that if they didn't suspend/expell the other two that she'd pull her daughters out of the school. So the other two got exluded from our main class trip that year, and the other two left at the end of the year anyway. I don't think the school ahd a right to interfere in that whole thing, even if the mother came into them. They should have said they couldnt have anything to do with it. Still really grinds my gears today that they missed out cause of some uppity... hurrr, nevermind. *goes to cool down*
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Post by Joey on Mar 29, 2010 21:26:43 GMT -5
Yea it makes me mad. A girl in the class below me posted BS as her status and was saying Sh*t all the time. She got a detention and her parents called to complain, but nothing happend.
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Post by shinigami345 on Mar 29, 2010 21:31:36 GMT -5
Proxy + SOCKS 5 + Vidalia Routes + I could find some more information on this from my computer buddies if you really want to know = complete privacy online (as in noone can see what you're browsing ofcourse the proxy logs your IP or something incase you look up something illegal and noone can see your IP or any of that jazz either)
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Post by Nakor on Mar 29, 2010 22:08:54 GMT -5
That's what I'd call anonymity (which depends on how much you trust the server you're proxying into via SOCKS5 to keep your connection anonymous and not turn over that information to anyone). Privacy is more about posting something online and having only certain people see it. No matter what anonymity you use to get to Facebook, whatever you post to Facebook is only as private as Facebook lets it be.
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Post by kadie on Mar 30, 2010 4:15:10 GMT -5
she has given out detentions to kids in our class and the class below us for things posted on facebook. ... It might just be me but it seems as if my school has crossed the line in doing this. I wouldn't be surprised if the teacher found this. (But I don't think that is likely because all of the teachers trust me.) What do you think? Firstly I don't know if this is illegal or not however, unless the reason for the detention is something like a group of people have started a "I HATE JO BLOGGS" group on facebook and are cyber-bullying someone in the class there is absolutely no reason to have given you a detention. I I were in your shoes, i would write or speak to the head teacher, or someone else in a position of authority and i would not attend the detentions. Or perhaps seek advice from another source which is able to give you impartial advice on the subject. As you've probably guessed from what I've said I think your school has most defiantly crossed the line. I would be fuming if i were in your position. Facebook and other such social networking sites have nothing to do with school and i would consider it an invasion of privacy. I don't know if this is the case for you but where i live, We are not aloud to contact teachers through their online profiles, and I think it should most defiantly be the same for them looking at students online profiles. Kadie
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Post by tnj on Mar 30, 2010 11:06:13 GMT -5
Now you may think this is a bunch of crap but she has given out detentions to kids in our class and the class below us for things posted on facebook. Now is it just me or does this sound illegal? Well, if you want to keep secrets then don't try keeping them online. I don't know if it's legal or whatever but I feel a little happy actually that someone notices kids being nasty. Now I don't know how old you are or what your classmates were put in detention for but my basic opinion is that it's awesome that someone tries to keep an eye on what kids are doing online, 'cause the social climate on forums, communities etc can be extremely harsh and I think everyone would benefit from a friendlier social climate
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Post by Nakor on Mar 30, 2010 12:35:57 GMT -5
Firstly I don't know if this is illegal or not however, unless the reason for the detention is something like a group of people have started a "I HATE JO BLOGGS" group on facebook and are cyber-bullying someone in the class there is absolutely no reason to have given you a detention. Actually, this bit reminds me of a case I read about on an article online. A judge in the US ruled in favour of a girl who had started an "I hate <teacher name>" group on Facebook. When the school attempted to punish her for it, it ended up in court (I don't recall the details) and long story short, they found that freedom of speech allowed the girl to act like this (outside of school grounds, at least).
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Post by RandiKthxxx on Mar 30, 2010 15:17:59 GMT -5
Firstly I don't know if this is illegal or not however, unless the reason for the detention is something like a group of people have started a "I HATE JO BLOGGS" group on facebook and are cyber-bullying someone in the class there is absolutely no reason to have given you a detention. Actually, this bit reminds me of a case I read about on an article online. A judge in the US ruled in favour of a girl who had started an "I hate <teacher name>" group on Facebook. When the school attempted to punish her for it, it ended up in court (I don't recall the details) and long story short, they found that freedom of speech allowed the girl to act like this (outside of school grounds, at least). What about in a case of cyber bullying? Do they still have these rights? Even if they could possibly drive a peer to suicide? By the way, I'm not arguing, I'm asking lol
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Post by kadie on Mar 30, 2010 15:52:58 GMT -5
[ What about in a case of cyber bullying? Do they still have these rights? Even if they could possibly drive a peer to suicide? That's exactly what I was thinking Kadie
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Post by 4iner on Mar 30, 2010 16:48:44 GMT -5
Actually, this bit reminds me of a case I read about on an article online. A judge in the US ruled in favour of a girl who had started an "I hate <teacher name>" group on Facebook. When the school attempted to punish her for it, it ended up in court (I don't recall the details) and long story short, they found that freedom of speech allowed the girl to act like this (outside of school grounds, at least). What about in a case of cyber bullying? Do they still have these rights? Even if they could possibly drive a peer to suicide? By the way, I'm not arguing, I'm asking lol I believe you can be found guilty of cyberbullying in the US - they made it a law after this one girl committed suicide because of it. By the way, to opener, what happens in your school if you don't go to detentions? I would also highly encourage you to report the teacher's behavior to the principal.
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Post by Nakor on Mar 30, 2010 16:52:45 GMT -5
Just so. Only I believe that's within the police's jurisdiction and not within the school's, unless the bullying also takes place on school grounds. (I may be wrong on that.)
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Post by GlowstikGlenn on Mar 30, 2010 16:58:22 GMT -5
I honestly think your teacher is going a step to far. Seems to me like they were snooping around on the internet to find stuff out about their students. Or maybe they done it to prove a point. They should deffo not take that into the school though unless it directly affects the school. ie if you were bad mouthing them.
Its not illegal for her to see this stuff thats on the internet but the stuff you do put on there in your own time should have no concern to the teacher. If it does they have the problem and you should probably ask to speak to the head teacher about it.
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