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Post by UnfairBear on Mar 31, 2010 21:05:22 GMT -5
Get ready to have your minds blown, kids, it's time for UNFAIRBEAR'S CRAZY THEORY TIME!!
My theory about homosexuality: Organisms that partake in sexual reproduction are attracted to other organisms that they can make babies with. What's that called, species preservation or something? Whatever. Anyway. What happens when they don't have to reproduce anymore? When the survival of the species doesn't rely on the making of the babieses? Well, whether or not another organism can make babies doesn't really matter anymore. So they don't try very hard to reproduce anymore, and if sex is no fun, then they don't have it anymore.
Well, sex IS fun for organisms like us. So even though there's no longer a need for us to repopulate the world or carry on the family name or whatever, we still have lots and lots of sex, we just don't always have it with people who we can replicate with. Hence gays! Yay!
Please note this is in no way based on anything particularly scientific, I kinda just pulled it outta my ass but I thought it was an interesting thought.
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Post by chelseeyuh on Mar 31, 2010 21:37:47 GMT -5
Lol UnfairBear. But, uh.. animals have been known to have homosexual relations also.. I guess they think it's fun, too?
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Post by UnfairBear on Mar 31, 2010 21:42:34 GMT -5
Well yeahr, I guess if my theory was a proper theory I'd argue that those animals have less of a need to reproduce as like, a really really primitive primordial goo kinda species so they can sort of, afford to be gay I guess. Yeah that works.
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Post by T3CHN0B4BBL3 on Mar 31, 2010 22:58:12 GMT -5
Now being raised in a Christian household, some Christian values have rubbed off on me but here I go. Before I continue let me clarify something: I have two opinions about homosexuality and gay marriage. Now, being taught that marriage was made for a man and a women, I have grown up believing that gay marriage was wrong and never second guessed it until I started thinking for myself (which, sadly, has been very recently). After thinking about it a long while, I have come to two conclusions.
One is the obvious "you can't reproduce" reason.
BUT...
Two is the fact that I have come to realize that whether or not we pass a law saying it is illegal for a gay couple to get married, it does not stop said couple from being gay. As for why I think there is homosexuality, I would go with your reasons 1, 2, and 4. I never had a choice in being straight, I just am.
So, no, I don't have anything against homosexuality or gay marriage. But do I think it is natural? No. And for the possibility of another Christian commenting back to me saying "but the bible says it's wrong" just think, if Jesus can forgive a murderer, wouldn't he forgive someone for being gay? After all, Jesus forgiving a murderer doesn't bring the person he killed back to life, so why would he punish someone for loving the wrong gender?
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Post by chelseeyuh on Mar 31, 2010 23:05:24 GMT -5
But do I think it is natural? No. May I ask what makes you think homosexuality isn't natural? I don't understand this notion...
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Post by Aoi on Apr 1, 2010 2:30:52 GMT -5
If it's "wrong" 'cause gays can't reproduce then shouldn't like... Contraception be illegal? 'Cause that's basically the same as gays having smex. It doesn't make any babies... Therefore it's unnatural... Seriously... People should be able to love whoever they want... And it's unfair denying them the right to marry aswell, and religeon isn't really a valid arguement because not everyone is a Christian @_@
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Post by Nakor on Apr 1, 2010 2:38:24 GMT -5
...until I started thinking for myself (which, sadly, has been very recently). A bit off topic, but I don't think it's a mark against you that it took you a while to start thinking openly. If you never hear anything to the contrary, it's expected that alternatives remain a sort of blind spot. What is telling about a person is how they react when they're finally presented with those alternatives. If, shown an alternate set of morals and ethics, you are open minded about them, then you were clearly not a fundamentalist (someone who so strictly holds to their set of ethics that they automatically refuse any alternative view without consideration) in the first place, you were just unaware of that possibility. Thus, you were a good person all along, and cannot necessarily be faulted for not seeing something that was out of your eyesight at the beginning, and need feel no guilt over the fact that you never realized other possibilities existed before.
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Post by T3CHN0B4BBL3 on Apr 1, 2010 7:42:33 GMT -5
But do I think it is natural? No. May I ask what makes you think homosexuality isn't natural? I don't understand this notion... Honestly I haven't done much research into the topic but the way I think of it is that when we were "made" (for lack of better words because I know most of you here probably don't think we were created) we needed a way to reproduce. I guess I'm still stuck on the mindset that if you can't reproduce from it, then there is no need from it. But I did read UnfairBear's post above and found it pretty interesting. If it's "wrong" 'cause gays can't reproduce then shouldn't like... Contraception be illegal? 'Cause that's basically the same as gays having smex. It doesn't make any babies... Therefore it's unnatural... Seriously... People should be able to love whoever they want... And it's unfair denying them the right to marry aswell, and religeon isn't really a valid arguement because not everyone is a Christian @_@ You're exactly right, religion isn't a valid arguement. I wasn't trying to change anyones mind, I was just explaining how I came to my understanding on the situation. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely open for my opinion to change.
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Post by UnfairBear on Apr 1, 2010 9:44:40 GMT -5
May I ask what makes you think homosexuality isn't natural? I don't understand this notion... Honestly I haven't done much research into the topic but the way I think of it is that when we were "made" (for lack of better words because I know most of you here probably don't think we were created) we needed a way to reproduce. I guess I'm still stuck on the mindset that if you can't reproduce from it, then there is no need from it. But I did read UnfairBear's post above and found it pretty interesting. If it's "wrong" 'cause gays can't reproduce then shouldn't like... Contraception be illegal? 'Cause that's basically the same as gays having smex. It doesn't make any babies... Therefore it's unnatural... Seriously... People should be able to love whoever they want... And it's unfair denying them the right to marry aswell, and religeon isn't really a valid arguement because not everyone is a Christian @_@ You're exactly right, religion isn't a valid arguement. I wasn't trying to change anyones mind, I was just explaining how I came to my understanding on the situation. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely open for my opinion to change. I like you, you're the good kind of Christian.
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Post by Breepop on Apr 1, 2010 12:00:39 GMT -5
GUYS WTH.
There's another thread for this. >_>
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Post by TsukikoSuoh on Apr 1, 2010 14:01:06 GMT -5
I think that the reason people don't want gay/lesbian couples to marry is BECAUSE they go only by what they were raised to believe. That marriage is between a man and a woman and nothing more, usually because the Bible says so.
The stereotyping of gay/lesbians is usually completely off base and makes no sense when you actually meet gay/lesbian people. The generalising of their personalities is probably one of the main factors of people not wanting them to marry.
I believe that anyone should be able to marry whomever they choose. Honestly, it's their life and NOT mine; their marrying isn't going to cause the apocalypse, you know. Or, if they aren't going to be allowed to marry, then they should at LEAST get all the same rights that married couples do when it comes to health care, hospital visiting, adoption, and things like that.
On the topic of gay/lesbian couples adopting, just because you're raised by one type of coupling does NOT mean that you will have that sexuality. Many gay/lesbian kids come from straight families, who's to say that many straight kids cannot come from gay/lesbian families? Why must the public stand by only what they THINK is right and be closed minded to other possibilities?
I'm just a tiny bit passionate about this, sorry, both my sister and I are bi in a straight household, and to see people we know (because we know many gay/lesbian/bi people in our schools) have any kind of future be determined by people who don't know ANYTHING about them is just wrong in my opinion. Love is love, whether it be for someone of the same sex or the opposite sex, why put limitations on things that don't truly affect you?
PDBAZ!
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Post by chelseeyuh on Apr 1, 2010 14:40:43 GMT -5
May I ask what makes you think homosexuality isn't natural? I don't understand this notion... Honestly I haven't done much research into the topic but the way I think of it is that when we were "made" (for lack of better words because I know most of you here probably don't think we were created) we needed a way to reproduce. I guess I'm still stuck on the mindset that if you can't reproduce from it, then there is no need from it. But I did read UnfairBear's post above and found it pretty interesting. "Natural" is defined as "existing in or formed by nature." Does homosexuality exist in nature? Absolutely. Many other animals besides humans are known to have homosexual relations, thereby showing that it is natural. If it's unnatural for people who can't reproduce to seek a partner, then should we shun people that are infertile, too? Or what about couples where both parties are fertile, but they're unable to have children with each other because of certain biological factors? Should we tell them that they need to be with other people because it's unnatural for them to be together if they can't reproduce?
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Post by alohahannah on Apr 1, 2010 15:04:36 GMT -5
I am 14, I am female, and I have a girlfriend. So I know what I am talking about when I say:
WHY IS THIS EVEN AN ARGUMENT???!!!!
My sexuality is such a tiny, miniscule part of my life. I am not defined by my sexual preferences. I am defined by my personality. In my mind, what people like to get up to in the bedroom, who they find love with is completely irrelevant to almost everyone except themselves. It really is none of anyones buisness.
I have a few issues at my school with homophobia. Not what you might expect - its not name calling, being beaten up, etc. It is people thinking they can make dirty jokes about it - that they can make me feel dirty, that this gives them the right to proposition me. So, in this day and age I propose that it is not only outwright homophobia that must be dealt with, but the fact that people view it as something only sexual.
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Post by swan on Apr 1, 2010 15:23:33 GMT -5
It is believed that sexual orientation is influenced by a combination of genetic and environmental factors (like most traits that develop over time there is a mixture of nature and nurture). In other words, I don't believe anyone ever decides who they find attractive. Like for example I'm a straight guy and when I see a girl I like I don't make a conscious decision do view her as attractive, it's just instinctual, and I imagine it's the exact same for gay people as well. Now I suppose that you could argue that I am "normal" and that the "normal instinctual" thing is for men to like women and that gay people act against those instincts, but I don't think that's a very strong argument especially when there are studies that suggest otherwise. The bottom line is that Homosexuality is not a conscious decision.
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Post by cadetpewpew on Apr 1, 2010 15:32:22 GMT -5
So, in this day and age I propose that it is not only outwright homophobia that must be dealt with, but the fact that people view it as something only sexual. This has always annoyed me to my bones. When you say lesbian or gay,the first thing that comes to mind for most people is dirty sex ("pornographic" even if you could say) And you're right about homosexuality being a teeny-tiny part of all my traits. Because a lot of people DON'T know about me,and still,they're nice,they talk to me as they would talk to every other person on the planet. It's not written on my forehead,I don't have a sexual "vibe",I don't want to screw every other girl I see on the street (I'm quite picky actually). I have parents,a sister. I go to teenage parties,hang out with people. I read books,listen to music,paint my nails,pick clothes. I like to wear high heels and always carry a purse with me. I laugh about stupid things with my friends. I'm a freaking girl,just like every other girl on the freaking planet. But,no,wait I'M UNNATURAL. therefore,I'm not human. I'm a completely different species,called the gay human. jeez,people annoy the living SHIRT out of me.
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Post by vivec on Apr 1, 2010 15:57:09 GMT -5
People that take a view like that, and choose to see you like that are quite foolish in my opinion. You are a person nothing more nothing less.
Something I have said in the past is 'where you would look at that man or woman and say that white person, that black person, that asian person e.t.c I look at them and say that person.
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Post by TsukikoSuoh on Apr 1, 2010 17:09:41 GMT -5
I am 14, I am female, and I have a girlfriend. So I know what I am talking about when I say: WHY IS THIS EVEN AN ARGUMENT???!!!! My sexuality is such a tiny, miniscule part of my life. I am not defined by my sexual preferences. I am defined by my personality. In my mind, what people like to get up to in the bedroom, who they find love with is completely irrelevant to almost everyone except themselves. It really is none of anyones buisness. I have a few issues at my school with homophobia. Not what you might expect - its not name calling, being beaten up, etc. It is people thinking they can make dirty jokes about it - that they can make me feel dirty, that this gives them the right to proposition me. So, in this day and age I propose that it is not only outwright homophobia that must be dealt with, but the fact that people view it as something only sexual. I agree; the sexual preference of a person does not define their entire system of values! it does not determine who they are; it's just an aspect of them that many people seem to dislike for no good reason, just for the sake of disliking it. Now, gay people have been around for many more years than is usually let on, people were imprisoned for being gay and sometimes killed for it, too, way back in the day. It's not just something that develops for the sole fact that we don't need to populate the Earth anymore, it's just something that happens because it does. There's no real cause and thus there can be no real cure if you take the mentality that it's a disease. (like that theory that gay people caused AIDS) Homophobia as a whole needs to be dealt with, not just homophobia in small groups of people like us here at the SPOTM; what makes being gay a sin? What, besides these words printed in a book and the power that we give to them, is it that makes it so wrong? Some people are still ridiculed, killed, or commit suicide because of their sexuality and what they know people think about it. I think that if people did not take the Bible so seriously we would not have HALF of the issues with homosexuality that we have today. Not that the Bible and religious peoples are the only cause of these problem, but I bet that these problems would be on a lesser scale if people were not raised with those beliefs. PDBAZ!
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Post by stephen5000 on Apr 1, 2010 18:28:10 GMT -5
Really, I think that the word "unnatural" has no real meaning. Everything's natural!
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Post by jaw on Apr 1, 2010 18:49:55 GMT -5
In my bio class we got into the discussion about why gays find the same sex attractive and my bio teacher told us she saw a documentary that explained a theory they had. When we are a fetus we are all female for a few weeks, and eventually we either stay female or become male, the theory is that we are all originally programmed to find the males attractive, and that sometimes when the female becomes a male, that program does not change thus a gay baby is born. This theory, however, does not explain why lesbians find females attractive.
I just thought that this was interesting, and decided to post it :]
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Post by T3CHN0B4BBL3 on Apr 1, 2010 19:36:26 GMT -5
Interesting point, I never took those into consideration.
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