The Doctor
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 5, 2010 10:27:01 GMT -5
I wouldve wanted to vote "No, but Ive seen them" haha
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Engesa Green once more
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Post by Engesa Green once more on Apr 5, 2010 11:11:13 GMT -5
Photoes are photoshopped or there's something with the ligthing... who is Occomus razor? i think you might be thinking of occam's razor which is ( as far as i know) a theory which states that the simplest solution is usually the correct one. The simplest solution for me is that those pictures are photoshopped or that there is bad lighting. As for the EVPs which is (as far as i know) voices on tape recorders and such it can be explained as interferrence from a nearby telephone mast or something like that or that the human mind finds patterns where there are none. Cold spots I'm not sure about but I could imagine that it has something to do with meteorology. Please know that I haven't got anything against you i just don't believe in ghosts Edit: typo
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2010 11:44:52 GMT -5
it's just a simple fact that the human brain is set to try and recognise a face or human elements in whatever it can (example: the chair which looks like a smiling face)
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Post by ligerman30 on Apr 5, 2010 14:42:16 GMT -5
Photoes are photoshopped or there's something with the ligthing... who is Occomus razor? i think you might be thinking of occam's razor which is ( as far as i know) a theory which states that the simplest solution is usually the correct one. The simplest solution for me is that those pictures are photoshopped or that there is bad lighting. As for the EVPs which is (as far as i know) voices on tape recorders and such it can be explained as interferrence from a nearby telephone mast or something like that or that the human mind finds patterns where there are none. Cold spots I'm not sure about but I could imagine that it has something to do with meteorology. Please know that I haven't got anything against you i just don't believe in ghosts Edit: typo quite often evps talk to the person asking questions for example i could ask what is your name? and on the evp it could say hello, my name is Larry. One time they wre doing evps and the evp said "i like the guy in the hat" and one of the guys there was wearing a hat. This is not an uncommon occurrence. And is hard to take out of context. also, people check for drafts they really do whole-heartedly look to debunk these things your argument is that of a broken record. frankly it's very very very herd to believe an argument that repeatedly over and over and over assumes it is "just a coincidence" for hundreds of thousands of historical accounts. Also, cold spots often happen in places where there is no windows or air conditioning. Even during the summer cold spots occur. Thinking that it is just a draft when there is nowhere for them to come from is naive.
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Post by hey light on Apr 5, 2010 14:46:17 GMT -5
Photoes are photoshopped or there's something with the ligthing... who is Occomus razor? i think you might be thinking of occam's razor which is ( as far as i know) a theory which states that the simplest solution is usually the correct one. The simplest solution for me is that those pictures are photoshopped or that there is bad lighting. As for the EVPs which is (as far as i know) voices on tape recorders and such it can be explained as interferrence from a nearby telephone mast or something like that or that the human mind finds patterns where there are none. Cold spots I'm not sure about but I could imagine that it has something to do with meteorology. Please know that I haven't got anything against you i just don't believe in ghosts Edit: typo quite often evps talk to the person asking questions for example i could ask what is your name? and on the evp it could say hello, my name is Larry. One time they wre doing evps and the evp said "i like the guy in the hat" and one of the guys there was wearing a hat. This is not an uncommon occurrence. And is hard to take out of context. also, people check for drafts they really do whole-heartedly look to debunk these things your argument is that of a broken record. frankly it's very very very herd to believe an argument that repeatedly over and over and over assumes it is "just a coincidence" for hundreds of thousands of historical accounts. Also, cold spots often happen in places where there is no windows or air conditioning. Even during the summer cold spots occur. Thinking that it is just a draft when there is nowhere for them to come from is naive. I've studied a lot of EVPs and I've NEVER heard one like that.
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Post by ligerman30 on Apr 5, 2010 15:09:54 GMT -5
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Post by ninjaearl on Apr 5, 2010 22:56:39 GMT -5
I do because I have personally seen them, and many peoples accounts for things match up merely by coincidence. Albeit, there's no convincing evidence unless you really feel you've seen one at some point. My experience with them is rather odd however, I only see them in dreams or in daytime visions, but the visions are thoroughly vivid and the spirits look the same each time and cling to the same areas. I can certainly understand not believe though, since there really isn't any good proof whatsoever on the internet.
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Post by odeda27 on Apr 6, 2010 0:22:03 GMT -5
right now i am not sure because i see things on TV. but, i have never experienced any paranormal activity but there are people who have. when i ask people if they have or what it was they tend to give me a story in which something moved by itself or something that does not regard paranormal activity [like they had a dream about a person and something happened the next day]. the problem with this is that they never thought of the experience they had as anything else but a paranormal experience and did not think it could of happened because of something else besides a ghost which in reality it might not be even the slightest bit connected to a paranormal entity.
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TsukikoSuoh
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Post by TsukikoSuoh on Apr 6, 2010 3:09:12 GMT -5
I voted yes that it exists and that I've seen them.
I believe that poltergeists and ghosts exist for the sheer fact that nothing has proven that they DON'T exist.
Now this is not to say I've ever seen a ghost/poltergeist normally or seen a spirit outside of a body, but I have seen multiple possessions by demon spirits. The persons I saw possessed were my sister and two of my closest friends, so I now it wasn't fake. I've seen the three of them possessed by various demons in varying degrees of both power and attitude differences. I know it sounds crazy, I know that it's all far-fetched, I'm just putting out there what I know. Well, at least what i know that pertains to this debate. If anyone wants specifics (such as how I knew they were possessed or what happened, who the demons were, et cetera) then you can PM me, considering it is all way too far-fetched to be relevant here.
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Post by stephen5000 on Apr 6, 2010 3:14:38 GMT -5
I believe that poltergeists and ghosts exist for the sheer fact that nothing has proven that they DON'T exist. Um, using that criterion you could believe in almost anything. How exactly do you prove something doesn't exist?
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TsukikoSuoh
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Post by TsukikoSuoh on Apr 6, 2010 3:34:52 GMT -5
I believe that poltergeists and ghosts exist for the sheer fact that nothing has proven that they DON'T exist. Um, using that criterion you could believe in almost anything. How exactly do you prove something doesn't exist? I believe in anything that has solid evidence, and if there is not evidence disproving it then there is an equal option for it to be real. When there is pure solid evidence for either side then that is the side that I will take. But this is only pertaining to Ghosts and Poltergeists, otherwise I have all the evidence I need.
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Celeste
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Post by Celeste on Apr 6, 2010 14:35:02 GMT -5
Yes, I belive that after death You go to heaven or hell, but there not places. I think that there feelings. Heaven being a feeling of eturnal happiness. Hell being the feeling of humanity. I believe that only ghosts that "go to" hell are the ones that try to contact us.
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Post by ligerman30 on Apr 8, 2010 15:30:57 GMT -5
Um, using that criterion you could believe in almost anything. How exactly do you prove something doesn't exist? I believe in anything that has solid evidence, and if there is not evidence disproving it then there is an equal option for it to be real. When there is pure solid evidence for either side then that is the side that I will take. But this is only pertaining to Ghosts and Poltergeists, otherwise I have all the evidence I need. like this www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlNp3o6Zc3o&feature=related
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Silverrida
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Post by Silverrida on Apr 10, 2010 14:51:14 GMT -5
Okay, real quick, just wondering. Who here has felt cold spots?
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Post by newschooled on Apr 10, 2010 15:51:12 GMT -5
The problem with photographic evidence in this day and age is that it's not really evidence anymore. Sure, it might have been 20 years ago on film if you could prove something wasn't double exposure or a dust spec close up, but nowadays even young kids can use photoshop. Pictured: The ghost of yesterday's lunch which now wanders the face of the earth for eternity.
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Post by futureastronaut13 on Apr 10, 2010 20:43:32 GMT -5
Ghosts may exist, who knows. In my opinion, I don't care. I don't like how people are ghost hunting and stuff, if they exist leave them alone, let them be in their own world.
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Mira
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Post by Mira on Apr 10, 2010 21:59:06 GMT -5
I'm going to vote no. There is absolutely no evidence, empirical or otherwise, of the existence of ghosts or any form of paranormal activity. In fact, there is a museum somewhere that, if you can prove paranormal activity exists, they will give you, I believe, $100,000. Cough up my $100,000 dollars!
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mrmrmr8
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Post by mrmrmr8 on Apr 10, 2010 22:09:09 GMT -5
The simplest solution for me is that those pictures are photo shopped or that there is bad lighting. Edit: typo Do you relies that all the pictures or videos or ANY proof could be faked? My point is, you see videos off... JFK being shot (I don't know thats the first thing that came to mind) how do you know that that happened, you weren't there! And people telling you it happened, how do you know it wasn't them just seeing things or lying ( I know its a bad example). My point is, if you use the theory that it could have been faked, then ANYTHING could have been faked.
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mrmrmr8
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Post by mrmrmr8 on Apr 10, 2010 22:09:37 GMT -5
I really dont like it when people think well it could be faked... heres why, all the pictures or videos or ANY proof could be faked? My point is, you see videos off... JFK being shot (I don't know thats the first thing that came to mind) how do you know that that happened, you weren't there! And people telling you it happened, how do you know it wasn't them just seeing things or lying ( I know its a bad example). My point is, if you use the theory that it could have been faked, then ANYTHING could have been faked.
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Post by stephen5000 on Apr 11, 2010 4:47:10 GMT -5
Best evidence of ghosts ever!
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