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Post by rialvestro on Apr 27, 2010 18:06:01 GMT -5
I've noticed allot of YouTubers useing this reasoning. I think my video sucks so I'm not even going to upload it. I think this video sucks so I'm going to take it off YouTube. This, I think is rather poor reasoning. The first more than the second. For videos that you have already uploaded all I can say is this. Not every video is going to be a huge hit. You're going to have your ups and downs and you should leave your videos up just to show how much you've progressed sense you first started. But that's really up to your own personally opinion. If you've had a video up for over a year and it still hasn't gotten any views then it probly does suck but I'd still leave it up anyway. That's just me though. As for videos people film and never even upload. Well just because YOU think it sucks doesn't mean it's true. Everyone is their own worst critic. How can you really tell if a video sucks if you never even give it a chance? I've had moments where I've filmed stuff like my Anna in the Tropics video that I don't think is very good. Honestly I think it's the worst performance I've ever done but I uploaded the video anyway. I haven't even had any comments on that video but it's still on YouTube. www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoeG3njMiqg I think that video sucks but I wouldn't dream of taking it down. |
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Post by kadie on Apr 28, 2010 2:47:20 GMT -5
The fact that you have the confidence to say "I know this video sucks but I'm going to upload it anyway." Is very admirable. However not everyone has that confidence, and to upload a video that they know is rubbish is going to be a very hard thing for them to do. Also if someone has a sizeable fan-base, their subscribers are not going to want to see videos that aren't very good.  x |
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 28, 2010 8:20:07 GMT -5
The fact that you have the confidence to say "I know this video sucks but I'm going to upload it anyway." Is very admirable. However not everyone has that confidence, and to upload a video that they know is rubbish is going to be a very hard thing for them to do. Also if someone has a sizeable fan-base, their subscribers are not going to want to see videos that aren't very good. x The main point of this topic is "How do you know if you never give it a chance" and I noticed that most of the votes are on "I've filmed videos and never uploaded them" You know I work in theater when I'm not on YouTube and I have to say even professionals put out stuff they think is crap. Just because YOU think your video is crap doesn't mean someone else will. You're your own worst critic... I just had a dejavu moment while I was typeing that... If you never give a video a chance how do you really know how crappy it is? As for the thing about subscribers. Any loyal subscriber isn't going to unsubscribe just because you upload a few crap videos they don't like. I've seen a few videos I didn't like from channels I'm subscribed to and I didn't go "Om my gawd this is crap, unsubscribe." I'm a huge Jim Carrey fan as well. I've seen and/or own all of his movies. He's had a few not so good movies come out in the last couple of years, the worst I think is "23" but I'm still going to watch all of his movies. If anything, your subscribers would respect you more for it. Not everyone is perfect, only uploading your most perfect videos is like never admitting that you made a mistake. I challenge everyone who reads this to upload your crappy videos and see what the response from your subscribers really is. |
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Post by kadie on Apr 28, 2010 8:32:23 GMT -5
I guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one I think people shouldn't feel like they ought to upload something that isn't very good. people can learn from the crappy videos they make without uploading them to youtube. |
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 29, 2010 12:50:33 GMT -5
I guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one I think people shouldn't feel like they ought to upload something that isn't very good. people can learn from the crappy videos they make without uploading them to youtube. How do they know it's not good if they never upload it? How can you learn from a video you've never uploaded? The bit about taking down videos we can agree to dissagree on because that is just a matter of personal choice after you've given the video a chance to be seen. When it's never been seen however, how can you tell anything about a product that was never seen by anyone other than yourself? This isn't really an agree to dissagree moment. I'm not spouting off personal opinion here, I'm shareing years of film and theater training and exsperiance. You are you own worst critic, you can't tell on your own how crappy something is, you have to upload it and let your audiance decide. This works in reverse as well. You might upload something you think is good and it turns out to be crap but most of the time it's crap that turns out to be good. Just try it out, just once, and see what the response is. I bet you that if everyone on YouTube uploads at least 1 crappy video durring the month of May that over half of thoughs videos will get a better responce than their creators thought they would get. And I'm not trying to force anyone to accept this challenge just strongly going to recomend you try it.  You'll never know if you don't try. |
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 29, 2010 18:37:32 GMT -5
Hey, I just thought of something... If you don't wanna upload videos to your main channel, start up a second channel without telling anyone. Upload all your crappy videos to it and then see how many Subscribers that channel gets. Whatever it takes to just give your crappy videos a chance for views. You might be surprised how many people like them. I know I always am. |
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Post by RabbitWho on Apr 30, 2010 7:38:17 GMT -5
Self editing and appreciation of how you suck is an important part of the artistic process. The thing is you might suck in ways you don't even realize, or be good in ways you don't even realize.. so feedback can help you understand your strengths and weaknesses... or it can hurt the developing of your creative mind by pushing you too soon in one direction..
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 30, 2010 12:23:49 GMT -5
or it can hurt the developing of your creative mind by pushing you too soon in one direction.. Not sure what you mean by this part but completly agree with the rest of your post. |
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Post by monker59 on Apr 30, 2010 12:36:03 GMT -5
I think you shouldn't upload or keep anything up that you are not proud of. You should take pride in your work and if you don't support your work, how can you expect anyone else to?
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Post by rialvestro on Apr 30, 2010 12:54:05 GMT -5
I think you shouldn't upload or keep anything up that you are not proud of. You should take pride in your work and if you don't support your work, how can you expect anyone else to? That sounded very contridicting to me. In the same paragraph you said both to be proud of and not be proud of your work? How can you expect people to take pride in their work and support their own work if your telling them they shouldn't upload stuff they're not proud of? You're basically telling them to be ashamed of their work in that first sentence and then doing a total 180 and saying to be proud in the next. |
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Post by kadie on May 1, 2010 15:04:28 GMT -5
I think the point monker59 is trying to make is that you shouldn't upload anything you're not proud of cause how can expect other people to value it if you don't yourself.
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Post by rialvestro on May 1, 2010 21:23:04 GMT -5
I think the point monker59 is trying to make is that you shouldn't upload anything you're not proud of cause how can expect other people to value it if you don't yourself. That line of reasoning doesn't really work in this case. I mean everyone has different tast and styals so what might not appeal to you could be good to someone else. Take the play "Paint Your Wagon" for example. The theater I work at is actually in the very same town where "Paint Your Wagon" takes place. The plot, to quote Gus (CanadianStudMuffin), sucks goat balls. No one who works at the theater likes the play but we've still produced it at least 3 times and we'll probly continue to produce the play just people people will come to see it. Especially in the town where the play was set. Now if you've seen the movie, the play has an entirely different plot but they're both just as bad. There's actually alot of plays which Denis does not like, most of them by Neil Simon but he still produces them anyway because he knows they'll draw an audiance. There's also a slot, the first show of the year at Fallen House, which always shows plays that we don't know weather or not they're going to sell well. Uploading videos isn't about what you think is crap, it's about what the audiance thinks. That's not only how professional theaters work but that's how film works. And in the professional world people risk looseing money when they put out stuff they think is crap. Most YouTubers aren't making any money and really have nothing to loose. |
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Post by kadie on May 2, 2010 2:16:31 GMT -5
Uploading videos isn't about what you think is crap, it's about what the audience thinks. That's not only how professional theaters work but that's how film works. And in the professional world people risk looseing money when they put out stuff they think is crap. YouTube is not about drawing a massive audience, sure thats nice if people watch your videos but the whole point is not to draw a massive fan base. Its about having fun making videos you like, not being limited by what other people say and basically just doing your own thing. And to be honest the comparison that you keep making between YouTube and Theatre is stupid because they are completely different mediums. |
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Post by rialvestro on May 2, 2010 12:51:34 GMT -5
And to be honest the comparison that you keep making between YouTube and Theatre is stupid because they are completely different mediums. So? YouTube and film are two completely different mediums as well. Sure you're filming videos but most YouTubers aren't anywhere near the same level as professional film. It's basically a modern version of funniest home videos except insted of winning money you make partner. A few people including Dan Brown seem to think that YouTube is going to replace film because with film you have to present your idea to a company and have it accepted where as YouTube you can make it yourself with no one's premittion but the part everyone keeps neglcting to think about is budget and equipment. Your idea for a film may not work in a home video format and very few people have managed to produce anything worthy to be called a film. On the other hand we have crap like Jack Ass that is a film and looks like something any idiot could upload on YouTube. It's basically vloging by yourself vs. an actual story with a large cast and that's why YouTube will never replace film. There's a completly different feel to film and YouTube just like their is to film and Theater and film never replaced live theater. There are no dieing mediums. Theater is absolutly the oldest medium dating all the way back to ancient Greeks and it hasn't died yet. That being said YouTube in a way is like theater because you have an interaction with your audiance that you don't have with film. The difference is just that you only have to project loud enough so your camera can hear you, and you're not limited to a single set which is also true for film. (note: film actors don't know how to act on stage unless they've had theater training.) That being said, I'm well aware of all the differences but there are simularities as well. You are in fact trying to bring in an audiance otherwise what's the point of uploading public videos? If they weren't ment to be seen you either wouldn't upload them or set them to private. Final note, be careful who you're calling stupid especially when the person is trying to help and has years more exsperiance than you do. That's just rude, if you don't wanna take my advice no one is forcing you. Do what you want, but don't insult me like that just because you don't want to listen. |
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Post by kadie on May 2, 2010 13:53:01 GMT -5
Okay I'm not calling you stupid - I was saying that i think the argument is stupid. and also how do you know you've had years more experience than me?? you don't know anything about me outside this forum x |
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Post by rialvestro on May 2, 2010 17:51:16 GMT -5
and also how do you know you've had years more experience than me?? you don't know anything about me outside this forum x Because unless you lied about your age, your profile says you're only 15 and I have no reason to believe that you are a liar so I'm guessing that is your real age. I'm going to sound really old saying this, I'm only 24 but I started to study film before you were even born and I started in theater when you were still in the 2nd grade. |
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Post by kadie on May 3, 2010 6:16:20 GMT -5
I don't know how old I would've been in 2nd grade (I'm british) Okay, so you have a few years more experience then me, but I have been acting almost my entire life. So i do have sufficent experience x |
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Post by rialvestro on May 3, 2010 13:18:02 GMT -5
I don't know how old I would've been in 2nd grade (I'm british) Okay, so you have a few years more experience then me, but I have been acting almost my entire life. So i do have sufficent experience x What does being British have to do with education? You have school in your country too don't you? You'd be 7 years old in the 2nd grade. I never said you didn't have experience, I only said I had more experience which is true. You'd have to be my age or older in order to have as much or more exsperiance than I have. To be honest though, if you're my age it's also possible to have more exsperiance at least in a single aspect like film or theater but probly not both... unless you were working on both at the same time... Anyway the main point is I started in film before you were even born. |
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Post by kadie on May 3, 2010 15:44:58 GMT -5
What does being British have to do with education? You have school in your country too don't you? You'd be 7 years old in the 2nd grade. I don't know what you mean, all I was saying was I don't know how old I would've been in second grade because we name our school years differently. For example you start school at 5 in year 1, then at 6 you move up to year 2 ect... Wow, talk about going off topic xx lol |
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Post by rialvestro on May 3, 2010 23:27:55 GMT -5
What does being British have to do with education? You have school in your country too don't you? You'd be 7 years old in the 2nd grade. I don't know what you mean, all I was saying was I don't know how old I would've been in second grade because we name our school years differently. For example you start school at 5 in year 1, then at 6 you move up to year 2 ect... Wow, talk about going off topic xx lol Oh, that explains alot. Grade in the US is the same as your year except that 1rst grade is actually year 2 because the first year of school is called Kindergarden. So by 2nd grade what I ment was year 3. On a side not our grades are only 1-8. After 8th grade it's High School Freshman, Softmore, Jr., and Senior. Collage repeats the same 4 names. |
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