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Post by Breepop on May 10, 2010 13:15:53 GMT -5
However, we let the forum do a lot of things and have so much freedom. Minus knowing what Dan's secret project is and picking who we work with, we don't really have THAT much power over everyone.Also quoted for truth. It only seems like we have a lot of power because there's been so much of a focus on picking new admins lately. That's the only thing only the admins are going to choose (that I know of), but because that's had so much attention around it lately, it can seem like every process is/is going to be like that. But that's not the case at all.
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Post by Rob on May 10, 2010 13:27:37 GMT -5
Rob: Even if there are more people under the age of 18 here you can't really just expect them to follow blindly without even been asked for their opinion on the way things are ran. -------- You are right 200 years of experience with presidents, but just like that country decided upon the first president when it was still young, this tribe should be able to do the same. -------- I think the potential benefits outweigh the risks. They're not expected to follow blindly. Like Sarah just said, with two exceptions, the admins pretty much give us full reign over what goes on here. We're allowed to debate pretty much anything and our words and wishes are taken into consideration wholeheartedly. Regarding the selection of the first president: the entire nation did NOT vote for him. People were appointed to the electoral college and THEY voted on the president. In fact, George Washington was the only president to receive 100% of the electoral college's votes for both of his terms. So, essentially, the USA's admins chose its newest admin. In fact, the USA didn't really start to get the whole "indirect election" process sorted out until the 1800s. The only "benefit" I see is that some people will be pleased that they got to choose a "leader" here. I think I've outlined the risks already, but the most prominent ones would be community disarray, admin-decision super stalls & non-committed people winning. What other benefits do you see?
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Post by Ricky on May 10, 2010 14:02:51 GMT -5
Very well. I will yield and let things run its course. I do nonetheless need a promise that things wont always be decided this way. After the nine admins are chosen, things that the tribe will go through (with exception of the secret project) need to be discussed on the forum.
I'm not saying that every idea that an admin comes up with needs to be made public, but that we have to take part in the decision process. That be from changing to a new forum, or even changing the name of the pogotribe. If something is suggested and it has a number of people interested it has to be taken into consideration and if possible decided by a vote.
In all honesty, something like a Hippocratic Oath. I know it might seem a little over the top but it would be better to have it now than later. It wont affect the way things run and it will serve as a reminder that admins are peers and though they are just like any of us, they are given a great responsibility. All without forgetting the fact that this tribe is driven by the people that post in their threads and work in their projects.
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Post by TheIslander on May 10, 2010 14:13:11 GMT -5
I don't really see the big deal, or problem. Administrators are administrators so administrators will take big decisions which you may or may not like. They will be speaking to the chosen person day in day out from the looks of it, so why does someone else have to chose it for them?
Transparancy is debateable, and to my knowledge they have recognized that it should be kept in mind. I suggested it last time there was the admin drama, its over. I've moderated sites which ran for years with 400+ users on daily, but the staff selection was nowhere as public or democratic as this one. So some times, extra freedom might not be all that good.
I know I am free to suggest and debate with the admins, if I don't like the choice and have most of the time recieved a mature response which I am glad for. Kick back and relax, let them do what their thing for once.
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Post by click3tyclick on May 10, 2010 14:55:48 GMT -5
I've been trying to see the problem here, but I just can't. Admins will be the ones working with the new admins. Admins are the ones who know what kind of person they need. Admins should be the ones choosing the new admins.
If we let people choose, everyone will vote for either Chelsea, Jon or RabbitWho. The admins have chosen 4 new admins, and none of them were really active posters. So I'm guessing they're not looking for people who have done something, but instead for people who can do something. That being said, while people like Chelsea have contributed a lot to this forum, they might not be the people the admins are looking for. Once again, we don't know what they want.
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Post by Johncoyne on May 10, 2010 15:01:16 GMT -5
I would make a terrible admin, and I don't understand why anyone would want me to be one. I'm a 14 year old kid who has (almost) no social life. Just because I have 1,100 posts, it doesn't make me better than any one else. Chelsea, methinks, may deserve it.
Edited for grammar.
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Post by chelseeyuh on May 10, 2010 15:06:05 GMT -5
I've been trying to see the problem here, but I just can't. Admins will be the ones working with the new admins. Admins are the ones who know what kind of person they need. Admins should be the ones choosing the new admins. If we let people choose, everyone will vote for either Chelsea, Jon or RabbitWho. The admins have chosen 4 new admins, and none of them were really active posters. So I'm guessing they're not looking for people who have done something, but instead for people who can do something. That being said, while people like Chelsea have contributed a lot to this forum, they might not be the people the admins are looking for. Once again, we don't know what they want. I agree. Oh wait. For whom the admins are looking* Okay, now I agree xD And honestly, it would be easy to rig the public vote... If people wanted to vote for you, you could just tell them which application is yours. There'd be no way to prevent that from happening.
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Post by Johncoyne on May 10, 2010 15:07:36 GMT -5
Exactly. It would be a popularity contest. Forum Government =/= Middle School Student Government..
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Post by Ricky on May 10, 2010 15:42:55 GMT -5
lol you guys realize we could just ask them what they are looking for and that way the votes would be inclined into that type of people
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Post by click3tyclick on May 10, 2010 15:48:10 GMT -5
lol you guys realize we could just ask them what they are looking for and that way the votes would be inclined into that type of people I doubt they want us to know exactly what they want. People would just aim for that instead of giving their best.
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Post by Breepop on May 10, 2010 16:00:22 GMT -5
lol you guys realize we could just ask them what they are looking for and that way the votes would be inclined into that type of people lol ricky you realize people could just bullshit their applications if they knew exactly what we were looking for
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Post by Ricky on May 10, 2010 16:04:16 GMT -5
>_>
very well...
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Post by Trey on May 10, 2010 16:05:02 GMT -5
"So like, I have good customer service skills, I'm low maintenance, I feel like I can relate to people, I'm friendly, and I work hard without complaining" ~ Typical Job interview
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Post by Joey on May 10, 2010 17:07:11 GMT -5
Admins on most forums are just police and leaders, and thats what most admins are seen as.
Admins here are something different, because this forum is something different. We arent just a group of people who like the same thing, or play the same game, or want to hang out. Yes we do all those things, but we do something that no other forum I have heard of have done. WE AREN'T A NORMAL FORUM! We are doing projects that are trying to change the world, we havent yet because we are just getting going. We are made of people that want to change the world. WE are the type of people that are imagined in utopias(did i spell that right?). WE are a new breed of online groups, a hopefully starting point in a technology revolution. WE ARE THE FUTURE! There haven't been any forums like us, so there are nothing we can compare to. WE are setting the bar. SO we don't have normal admins. They aren't admins at all. I think we should start calling them something like "guides". We follow them and we trust them. We go to them for help, and they take care of us. They aren't anymore important, and they do know certain things, but they don't tell us, because they can't because they want to make us happy and they really do care about us. And you can't put a person into a job that isn't invented yet. It takes a guide to know a guide. Dan basically created the postion, then picked admins, who will pick the others. We need to trust them, for if you don't trust your guide, you get lost.
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Post by Ricky on May 10, 2010 17:10:54 GMT -5
"So like, I have good customer service skills, I'm low maintenance, I feel like I can relate to people, I'm friendly, and I work hard without complaining" ~ Typical Job interview Overqualified!! gtfo
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Post by Helmet on May 10, 2010 20:59:24 GMT -5
...We could always let the Admins pick the finalists that they think would work best with them, then they write a platform then a vote goes into process.
The Admins get to pick their best match and Democracy is still a factor
Letting both sides semi-win!
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Post by Joey on May 10, 2010 21:20:01 GMT -5
...We could always let the Admins pick the finalists that they think would work best with them, then they write a platform then a vote goes into process. The Admins get to pick their best match and Democracy is still a factor Letting both sides semi-win! I dont like that, because like I said in my super long post, we still dont know what it takes. Only the person that has the job, and Danielle, does.
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Post by Helmet on May 11, 2010 17:38:04 GMT -5
Hmm... Good point, maybe we should have introduced Mods sooner, they could've gotten a taste of a small form of leadership, and then they could be elected to Admin status.
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Post by UnfairBear on May 11, 2010 19:28:00 GMT -5
Oh look, a better place to put this:
I dont get why people keep talking like the admins are politicians. They're more like secretaries and you don't vote for secretaries.
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Post by VampiricPadraig on May 11, 2010 19:43:51 GMT -5
*cough*
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