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Post by chelseeyuh on May 11, 2010 20:25:36 GMT -5
*gives Paddy cough medicine*
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Post by Joey on May 11, 2010 20:33:32 GMT -5
I dont like that, because like I said in my super long post, we still dont know what it takes. Only the person that has the job, and Danielle, and Paddy does. [glow=red,2,300]Happy now?[/glow]
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Post by VampiricPadraig on May 12, 2010 5:10:40 GMT -5
I needed to be committed to the community, which at the time I didn't have that much time. I couldn't be here on Dan's (or any other admins) beck-n-call.
And trying to administrate 2 forums at the same time was not for me.
I am now admin of my own forum, I an work on it as much (or as little) as I wanted. I could not have done it here. There was too much going on at the time.
I personally am glad that I am not a admin (don't take that the wrong way) anymore. And to be truly honest, 10 admin was FAR to many for a 2000 member base. We only need max of 2.
This was a choice that Dan made, the choice was made wrong. On other forums, I have only seen 2/3 admins for 1 million members (Boards.ie is the site I'm on about)
Yes, we had to agree with change EVERYTIME, which imo is not necessary. If you are gonna change the forum. DO IT! and put the change in the changelog. Don't need to have a big formal meeting about it.
In relation to whoever became admin (when I stepped down), this (imo) was a foolish action taken up by the girl admins. During the last admin selection process, I was nearly forced to say Yes to the new admins (Because the girls liked him/her), Us male admins didn't have a choice or even a say for that matter whether we liked them or not. I personally think, that the new admins were chosen because "They were cool" or was very friendly with the female admins.
I find this VERY unfair and I would like Dan (as owner of the forum) to heavily re-consider the applications and let him and the other MALE admins decide who THEY think should be admin and not be over-ruled by female admins.
Forget that, Dan should HEAVILY re-consider the position of Bree and Cortney as their actions at the last admin selection was intolerable.
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Post by Breepop on May 12, 2010 10:04:33 GMT -5
I needed to be committed to the community, which at the time I didn't have that much time. I couldn't be here on Dan's (or any other admins) beck-n-call. And trying to administrate 2 forums at the same time was not for me. I am now admin of my own forum, I an work on it as much (or as little) as I wanted. I could not have done it here. There was too much going on at the time. I personally am glad that I am not a admin (don't take that the wrong way) anymore. And to be truly honest, 10 admin was FAR to many for a 2000 member base. We only need max of 2. This was a choice that Dan made, the choice was made wrong. On other forums, I have only seen 2/3 admins for 1 million members (Boards.ie is the site I'm on about) Yes, we had to agree with change EVERYTIME, which imo is not necessary. If you are gonna change the forum. DO IT! and put the change in the changelog. Don't need to have a big formal meeting about it. In relation to whoever became admin (when I stepped down), this (imo) was a foolish action taken up by the girl admins. During the last admin selection process, I was nearly forced to say Yes to the new admins (Because the girls liked him/her), Us male admins didn't have a choice or even a say for that matter whether we liked them or not. I personally think, that the new admins were chosen because "They were cool" or was very friendly with the female admins. I find this VERY unfair and I would like Dan (as owner of the forum) to heavily re-consider the applications and let him and the other MALE admins decide who THEY think should be admin and not be over-ruled by female admins. Forget that, Dan should HEAVILY re-consider the position of Bree and Cortney as their actions at the last admin selection was intolerable. [/rant] lol did you just make up a bunch of bullshit, Paddy? Of course the "male admins" had a choice in saying whether you liked someone or not. There was no forcing at all, simply because we had no one to force (as in, there wasn't anyone we liked well enough to use any force with). The selection process for Karson and the selection process for Mike, Erin, and Sarah was completely different. Other people were there, so trying to get away with that mess of a lie you just told is ridiculous. In fact, as far as I know, I was the only one pressured during that round of choosing. Not the boys, but me. A girl. k. You're just bitter because you were kicked from the admin team. Oh, and stop being sexist. Ew.
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Post by VampiricPadraig on May 12, 2010 11:21:13 GMT -5
lol did you just make up a bunch of bullshit, Paddy? Of course the "male admins" had a choice in saying whether you liked someone or not. There was no forcing at all, simply because we had no one to force (as in, there wasn't anyone we liked well enough to use any force with). The selection process for Karson and the selection process for Mike, Erin, and Sarah was completely different. Other people were there, so trying to get away with that mess of a lie you just told is ridiculous. In fact, as far as I know, I was the only one pressured during that round of choosing. Not the boys, but me. A girl. k. You're just bitter because you were kicked from the admin team. Oh, and stop being sexist. Ew. That's who it was, Karson (Didn't know for a min there) The admin selection was based on how well they could mange a forum. Not how to manage friendship levels with "friends" Hence the reason I got the job, because I know about forums. *Chokes on Peanut* You were pressured?? As far as I recalled, you wanted some members to become admins (ie. Karson) Oh, And regarding the applications, wasn't it ONLY you that decided to put the "definite no" label on the applications when SOME of us actually liked the member, and when coming to discuss it, you overruled me. THAT is not a lie. (ie. bombmaniac, insane_zang) I end my turn.
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Post by Breepop on May 12, 2010 11:34:31 GMT -5
Please stop posting crazy lies to make us look bad because of your bitterness. You're just bitter because you were kicked from the admin team.
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Post by Insane_Zang on May 12, 2010 11:42:28 GMT -5
Aww, you said my name in an argument! That brings me joy
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Post by click3tyclick on May 12, 2010 11:55:11 GMT -5
Aww, you said my name in an argument! That brings me joy Stay out. Thanks.
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Post by zAkAtAk on May 12, 2010 12:20:01 GMT -5
I like this thread.
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Post by Frejman on May 12, 2010 12:23:21 GMT -5
10 admin was FAR to many for a 2000 member base. We only need max of 2. This was a choice that Dan made, the choice was made wrong. On other forums, I have only seen 2/3 admins for 1 million members (Boards.ie is the site I'm on about) Paddy, I think that Dan's idea was great. He wanted us to work in a way that no community had done before. And that is what we're trying to do. Being this many admins means that there has to be a lot of cooperation for things to work, and that is what Dan intended. He wanted us to work together, and with just a few admins, we can't achieve what we can do as a larger group. Yes, we had to agree with change EVERYTIME, which imo is not necessary. If you are gonna change the forum. DO IT! and put the change in the changelog. Don't need to have a big formal meeting about it. I think that communication beforehand is key to succeeding in such a large group, which I have already stated why we need. In relation to whoever became admin (when I stepped down), this (imo) was a foolish action taken up by the girl admins. During the last admin selection process, I was nearly forced to say Yes to the new admins (Because the girls liked him/her), Us male admins didn't have a choice or even a say for that matter whether we liked them or not. I personally think, that the new admins were chosen because "They were cool" or was very friendly with the female admins. I find this VERY unfair and I would like Dan (as owner of the forum) to heavily re-consider the applications and let him and the other MALE admins decide who THEY think should be admin and not be over-ruled by female admins. Forget that, Dan should HEAVILY re-consider the position of Bree and Cortney as their actions at the last admin selection was intolerable. [/rant] As Bree said, she too was pressured about choosing admins. We all were, that's why we have decided not to rush into this again. We made mistakes, yes. But the key is to learn from our mistakes. I'd say that Bree's and Cortney have at times made mistakes. But so have I. I haven't been active enough on the forum, for one. And here I am, trying to remedy that. The admin selection was based on how well they could mange a forum. Not how to manage friendship levels with "friends" Hence the reason I got the job, because I know about forums. Managing a forum is important, I agree on that. But apart from this, you need a good amount of people who can produce a vision for the forum's future, what vision is produced if the administrators are quarreling? Not a good one, I'm sure. It has nothing to do with friendship levels. It has to do with keeping the team together so that we can get somewhere. *Chokes on Peanut* You were pressured?? As far as I recalled, you wanted some members to become admins (ie. Karson) This is a repetition, but yes, Bree was pressured, we all were at some point, I believe. Oh, And regarding the applications, wasn't it ONLY you that decided to put the "definite no" label on the applications when SOME of us actually liked the member, and when coming to discuss it, you overruled me. THAT is not a lie. I know nothing of this, so I will not address it.
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Post by VampiricPadraig on May 12, 2010 14:21:43 GMT -5
Please stop posting crazy lies to make us look bad because of your bitterness. You're just bitter because you were kicked from the admin team.
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Post by UnfairBear on May 12, 2010 14:27:41 GMT -5
=D
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Post by Frejman on May 12, 2010 14:30:50 GMT -5
Yeah Jean! Totally!
(I love that song)
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Post by Cortney on May 12, 2010 14:32:25 GMT -5
Hi, Paddy. I'm Cortney. I was there.
When we chose Sarah, Erin, and Mike, the process was handled like it should be (for the most part). Bree was pressured at that point, and that's all. I was one of the ones who pressured her, though I'm not going to act like I was doing it on purpose. (I only realized this happened AFTER the ordeal with Karson).
When we voted for Karson, Bree and I were the ones who were pressuring others, though again, we didn't do this intentionally. It was also due to a lot of misunderstandings and people not speaking up. Everyone made a mistake in that round, be it a small or large one. That includes males. Besides, Bree and I are only two of the female admins. At that time, there was also Danielle, Erin, and Sarah. Trying to pull this off as some issue with the girl admins being abusive is, honestly, a bunch of shirt.
Paddy, I understand your bitterness (which Bree covered, really...), but that doesn't mean you have to bring up what is BEHIND us. Not only is the issue you're talking about a mistake that has been discussed and learned from, it's a mistake that you're highly exaggerating. You were kicked/resigned/whatever you want to call it with the understanding that you would keep what went on behind closed doors to yourself. Not only have you broken that promise, you are doing so in an attempt to tarnish the reputation of the other admins.
Yes, the most recent admin selection was corrupt. We realize this. We're doing everything possible to avoid that this time around. I wish you guys would give us a chance, instead of automatically assuming we're doing it wrong (and for those of you who are giving us a chance, thank you).
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Post by Frejman on May 12, 2010 14:34:59 GMT -5
*nods in agreement*
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Post by Breepop on May 12, 2010 14:36:24 GMT -5
Hi, Paddy. I'm Cortney. I was there. When we chose Sarah, Erin, and Mike, the process was handled like it should be (for the most part). Bree was pressured at that point, and that's all. I was one of the ones who pressured her, though I'm not going to act like I was doing it on purpose. (I only realized this happened AFTER the ordeal with Karson). When we voted for Karson, Bree and I were the ones who were pressuring others, though again, we didn't do this intentionally. It was also due to a lot of misunderstandings and people not speaking up. Everyone made a mistake in that round, be it a small or large one. That includes males. Besides, Bree and I are only two of the female admins. At that time, there was also Danielle, Erin, and Sarah. Trying to pull this off as some issue with the girl admins being abusive is, honestly, a bunch of shirt. Paddy, I understand your bitterness (which Bree covered, really...), but that doesn't mean you have to bring up what is BEHIND us. Not only is the issue you're talking about a mistake that has been discussed and learned from, it's a mistake that you're highly exaggerating. You were kicked/resigned/whatever you want to call it when the understanding that you would keep what went on behind closed doors to yourself. Not only have you broken that promise, you are doing so in an attempt to tarnish the reputation of the other admins. Yes, the most recent admin selection was corrupt. We realize this. We're doing everything possible to avoid that this time around. I wish you guys would give us a chance, instead of automatically assuming we're doing it wrong (and for those of you who are giving us a chance, thank you). One of my favorite posts ever on this forum. Very well said, mdear.
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Post by RabbitWho on May 12, 2010 15:20:31 GMT -5
Unfair Bear rules!
I used to be in a class of 14 people in art college. We were all there all day long on our own with no lecturers for 3 years. Whenever a dispute would start a class member named Diarmuid would just interrupt loudly and say. "Okay! I'm going to sing a song! La la la la la la la la la la." Relentlessly until it was impossible to continue the conversation. If only there was a way I could sing this song, however there's not so I have to settle for posting a video. Please watch it.
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Post by Cortney on May 12, 2010 15:27:20 GMT -5
RabbitWho, singing loud songs so that nobody can talk doesn't solve anything. Problems need to be talked through, not ignored. I can appreciate what you and Unfairbear are doing, but it's really not what needs to be done (in my opinion).
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Post by RabbitWho on May 12, 2010 15:33:47 GMT -5
Poignant That's what my parents used to say to me when they argued when I was a kid and I used to beg them to stop fighting. I can't see anything good ever coming out of this. If you have to do it then PM each other, please.
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Post by KipEnyan on May 12, 2010 15:42:54 GMT -5
I think discussion of this nature is healthy. Often unpleasant and heated, definitely, but still healthy for a growing, developing community such as this. I personally agree with the current admin process, even with its flaws. My only slight apprehension comes from the extreme vagueness of the application format. I will openly admit that I am aspiring towards the admin position, and I'm not sure I adequately represented myself in applying, just because I was unsure what was asked of me. That's on a bit of a personal note, but I'm just saying.
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