Yokailo
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Post by Yokailo on May 10, 2010 13:38:34 GMT -5
Hi everyone! With the new Admins being chosen, there has been quite a debate on whether or not Admins should be chosen by voting for them, because Admins should be people who have influence inside the tribe and are considered leaders. As this turned out to be something the current Admins didn't like, but I think the Tribe could help them out a little, I thought of something else. How about making a picture of who knows who, and who they consider to be "nice" or "friendly" or "trustworthy" people. You'd get a grid like this. (I in no way relate this project to religion, it just looked like the clearest and most beautiful visualization I found ) I need some help from people, on a couple of points: - How do we define who to add to your list of "nice" people? Or do we only want people who you "know"? How do we define "knowing" people? How do we make sure we get the really good people, without getting too many or too few submissions?
- How do we make the chart? Is there any software available that's capable of this? Is there an easier way to do this? Can it be editable online, when new connections have to be added? (Graphic Designers, I'm looking at you)
- Admins: Is this something you'd find interesting for choosing the new Admin, or moderators, or how to know who to address when you need a representative? Or is this something we could do for fun, to see who's influential and who's not?
As you can see, this is nowhere near a polished project, but I'd really like to get some help from people who might have some experience in business. My dad told me they use grids like that in the police, to see which criminal has had contact with which criminal and such, he just didn't recall the program- anyone? So, ya. Please help me out on this, I'd like some constructive input ^^
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Post by jmejia1187 on May 10, 2010 14:01:35 GMT -5
Whoa... this is a huge undertaking I am in...
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Post by RabbitWho on May 10, 2010 14:09:34 GMT -5
This is one of the activities in tribal leadership, you draw double lines for strong relationships, single lines for normal ones and dotted lines for "information exchange" if I remember right. Awesome awesome idea to have them all interlacing like this.. I dunno if I can do it though because if I forget someone their feelings might be hurt If we find out what those grids are called I'm sure there'll be a program that'll do it There used to be a widget on bebo that put the names of everyone in your friends list around in a circle and then joined lines between the ones who were friends with each other In other news: WTF? James was jesus' brother? What religion believes that?
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Post by Sean on May 10, 2010 14:15:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure, how would it help them?
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Post by Yokailo on May 10, 2010 14:19:05 GMT -5
This is one of the activities in tribal leadership, you draw double lines for strong relationships, single lines for normal ones and dotted lines for "information exchange" if I remember right. In other news: WTF? James was jesus' brother? What religion believes that? Oh, I didn't know that That does sound a lot like what I wanted to do, though ^^ ..Lol, didn't even see that. That does put Mary in a whole different light, though xD I'm not sure, how would it help them? If they know who the people inside the tribe like, that could influence them into picking someone people like and as such are comfortable seeing as their leader.
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Post by RabbitWho on May 10, 2010 14:27:48 GMT -5
In tribal leadership they don't intertwine the relationships, they just do it to see what happens. In stage 2 and 3 tribes everyone has diadic relationships. Everyone they know has a relationship with them. The diagram is like a spider with themselves in the center. in stage four and five they draw triangles and webs and nets because everyone they know has a working relationship in groups. I don't know about it as a way to help choose leaders, but it's an awesome way to access the community and build natural triads. I drew a map of my personal relationships in real life to demonstrate: Attachments:
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Post by click3tyclick on May 10, 2010 14:30:39 GMT -5
I drew a map of my personal relationships in real life to demonstrate: Pro.
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Post by Yokailo on May 10, 2010 14:34:10 GMT -5
You have a very interesting relationship with your fridge. I don't know what you made that picture with, but paint/GIMP won't be sufficient for this.. As there is loads of data involved ^^
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Post by Ferrrrrre on May 10, 2010 14:54:53 GMT -5
I have a theory about that every single person with the same last name (same for names like "Kent" and "Kend" who have changed because of miscommunication..) is family maybe not directly but they have a similar family tree..
but back to this thingy xD
I discern two types of KNOW;
The first one is when you have met a person, knows his name etc. the second one however is when you talk quite regularly to a person and you know quite some things about them..
So I guess you have people who you have SEEN and know that they exist and know them because what you read here.. and you have people you communicate with more frequently and with whom you share more than what you say here..
I think there's a very thin line between KNOW 1 and KNOW 2.
as for the grapics I suggest you like make a wiki page or something and list the people who have applied and let other people add if they know them and vice versa??
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Post by Yokailo on May 10, 2010 14:57:42 GMT -5
I am not very familiar with the wiki, so I'm kind of reluctant to use it. I'm more of a PM-then organize it yourself-kind of person, but if someone wants to take care of a wiki page, please do
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Post by Helmet on May 10, 2010 18:53:20 GMT -5
You can use bubbl.us/ as your graphics thingy. And if you need any help contact muah!
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Post by RabbitWho on May 11, 2010 6:15:23 GMT -5
Would it be practical to just: make a huge jpeg of a white page, pick a colour for yourself (say light blue) draw your 10 dots for your relationships (write the names next to them) and link them together with thin lines. Then forward the picture to someone else who is one of your dots. They change the colour of their own dot (say red) but nothing else, draw thin red lines to any of those dots who you already have a strong relationship with (limit: 10) and ad dots for anyone who's not already there. Then forward it on (preferably to someone who has as many lines to them as possible and hasn't had it yet (you'll know because their dot is still the original colour)
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Post by Yokailo on May 11, 2010 6:15:50 GMT -5
I am trying out Helmet's site, and it's working pretty well- it's very easy to use. ^^ bubbl.us/sys/view.swf?sid=639699&pw=yaoKI6izCNlc2MzNRYTJ2VXNteUVLVQI only asked Bombmaniac, Laura, Chelsea and of course I know my own relations, and this is what I got. If we have to make something like this, and add all the arrows for everyone, just pen and paper is not going to work.
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Post by RabbitWho on May 11, 2010 6:21:45 GMT -5
That looks awesome!
What are all those lines going into nothing?
I think i've managed to maybe narrow my list down to 12, i'll work on cutting out the last 2.. but i might remember someone else... :S
Edit: now it's 13! arghuhfuffle!
Edit 2: Can we keep the chart itself a secret till it's done? I'm afraid if someone sees a line pointing to them they'll feel obligated to reciprocate, and it's a hard enough choice as it is.
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Post by Yokailo on May 11, 2010 6:25:23 GMT -5
You might have to zoom out a bit..
I'll make a new, prettier one later, when I have more information, but for now I especially have to define the question a bit better.
Is it about "Who do you think is nice?", because then you get twenty-thirty people for everyone, and that gets very confusing. Or is it more "Who do you consider (possible) leaders?". Or are we taking it as far as "Who do you thoroughly trust?" Input puh-leaz ^^
And no, this is not the definite visualization, as I used very vague questions for this one. I will add in the information given to me through PMs I sent, but be prepared to get another one later, when we know the rules a bit better:P
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Post by RabbitWho on May 11, 2010 6:40:05 GMT -5
I don't know, I prefer the question "who do you really like and thoroughly trust" I think the results will be a more interesting reflection on our community than "who would make a good leader" because this is supposed to help us answer the question, it's not just a vote. Hmmm
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Post by Yokailo on May 11, 2010 6:52:14 GMT -5
The problem is, how clear do we want this picture to be? If we ask "Who do you really like?" and limit the choices to 10, you'd get a very weird graph, where everyone takes the same people, and some people only like others and are not liked by them, if you know what I mean. But if we let everyone just tell us who they like, you get LOADS AND LOADS of names, and it gets very hard to put into a picture and still make it clear.
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Post by RabbitWho on May 11, 2010 9:40:17 GMT -5
I guess if you think about it there are only maybe 20 or 30 core posters, and if we allow people to pick ten then you're right, the same names will keep popping up.. so maybe we should just pick three that we really like and really really trust? but then there is so much room for hurt feelings
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Post by Ferrrrrre on May 11, 2010 9:44:49 GMT -5
The only problem I have with this project is the whole; I need to pick from all you guys and you're my number 1.. indeed a lot of room for hurting feelings...
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Post by Yokailo on May 11, 2010 10:06:58 GMT -5
I think if you start asking the question "Who is your friend", then you would hurt feelings.. But then again, it would be cool for making triads, too. Because not knowing someone might be a reason to put them into a triad together and see if it would work out.
So I think the question should really be "Who do you regularly speak?"
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